mangogrooveworkshop
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| posted on 9/10/10 at 09:59 AM |
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BT required to open fibre network by Ofcom
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11491528
Sounds really good ....but there is a problem ..
Lots of BTs ducts are years old and a lot are claypipes and silted up....
The capacity is pretty much full in most of the major routes with loads of blockages...
This all adds up to the bill when running new fibres in to places where there is notspots.
The other problem is rats are attracted to something in the fibre cables gel!!!
So add all these things up it makes for a lot of expensive work before we get GENUINE HISPEED NET ACCESS....(not may be up to 20meg crap )
Poles are the other way but are vulnrable to weather damage winds ect
[Edited on 9-10-10 by mangogrooveworkshop]
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 9/10/10 at 10:19 AM |
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We had fibre optic cables down here in 2000, paid for by an EEC grant. They dug up the A30 over its full length and laid the cables.
And then did NOTHING - no spurs or anything, not connected at either end - just sitting there 20 metres from my front door.
Total waste of money as usual
If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
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mangogrooveworkshop
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| posted on 9/10/10 at 10:42 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mark Allanson
We had fibre optic cables down here in 2000, paid for by an EEC grant. They dug up the A30 over its full length and laid the cables.
And then did NOTHING - no spurs or anything, not connected at either end - just sitting there 20 metres from my front door.
Total waste of money as usual
Dark fibre.....lets buy it up....its worth big bucks
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britishtrident
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| posted on 9/10/10 at 10:47 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mangogrooveworkshop
quote:
Originally posted by Mark Allanson
We had fibre optic cables down here in 2000, paid for by an EEC grant. They dug up the A30 over its full length and laid the cables.
And then did NOTHING - no spurs or anything, not connected at either end - just sitting there 20 metres from my front door.
Total waste of money as usual
Dark fibre.....lets buy it up....its worth big bucks
Locoster discovers dark matter ! 
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robocog
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| posted on 9/10/10 at 10:55 AM |
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Ditched BT more than a decade ago and went with cable as soon as I moved into an area with it available
The number 1 criteria when we bought this house was "is it in a cabled up area?"
Would rather go back to tin cans joined with string than go back to BT
50Mbs from Virgin has been available for a while now ...and decades later BT are STILL bitching about sharing access to cables poles and access points
we paid for when it was GPO back in the 70's
"2Mbps broadband by 2015"...ROFL, don't set the target too high eh!
Regards
Rob
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zilspeed
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| posted on 9/10/10 at 12:44 PM |
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Mango
My pal Jack, who you've met, is currently down in Leeds blowing in fibre. They've sent them to the jobs the local guys gave up on. The
example her have me, they gave up at 500m, they went to the job and when I was on the phone to him, it was 300m past that and climbing.
It seems that the attitude of the guys may make something of a difference. Maybe the local management can also make a difference too.
It'll be a while before we get a sniff of it, I reckon.
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T Rex
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| posted on 9/10/10 at 05:18 PM |
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Are some of you boys in the industry of delivering, next generation access as you seam to have a grasp of the problems, I ask as i am in the industry.
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stevebubs
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| posted on 9/10/10 at 05:30 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by T Rex
Are some of you boys in the industry of delivering, next generation access as you seam to have a grasp of the problems, I ask as i am in the industry.
Some of us are....not too sure about the chaps above...
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T Rex
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| posted on 9/10/10 at 05:47 PM |
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Nice to know i am not alone, Do you work for the customer or the prime ?, or sub for the prime ?, no names.
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 9/10/10 at 06:10 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by robocog
"2Mbps broadband by 2015"...ROFL, don't set the target too high eh!
I can get that kind of speed on MY MOBILE PHONE.
Now maybe 2Mbps, guaranteed minimum, in every house with no slowdown ever would be a good target. But a good target for 2011 not 2015...
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gavin174
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| posted on 9/10/10 at 06:40 PM |
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i work for a company that installs fibre networks..
right from the civils to the commissioning of the network..
I am a fibre splicer/tester.
we are involved with the "Global Crossing" at Lands End where the fibre optic cable runs across The Atlantic to New York..
http://www.essexkitcarclub.com
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stevebubs
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| posted on 9/10/10 at 10:43 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by T Rex
Nice to know i am not alone, Do you work for the customer or the prime ?, or sub for the prime ?, no names.
Variety over the years, from Telco to supplier. Currently the latter.
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stevebubs
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| posted on 9/10/10 at 10:47 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Ninehigh
quote:
Originally posted by robocog
"2Mbps broadband by 2015"...ROFL, don't set the target too high eh!
I can get that kind of speed on MY MOBILE PHONE.
Now maybe 2Mbps, guaranteed minimum, in every house with no slowdown ever would be a good target. But a good target for 2011 not 2015...
Trouble is not urban areas but rural...
PS wrt Mobile - Technically, HSDPA (mobile) standards are already approaching that of Virgin's maximum offering...i.e. 50M+ ; 7M+ is already
atainable in significant portions of the UK
[Edited on 9/10/10 by stevebubs]
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splitrivet
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| posted on 10/10/10 at 11:14 AM |
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They've been blowing it in in Stoke but the sub has to pick up the tab as far as I'm aware, but as above in rural or even on a small
exchange you've got Bob Hope.
Cheers,
Bob
I used to be a Werewolf but I'm alright nowwoooooooooooooo
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mangogrooveworkshop
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| posted on 10/10/10 at 01:00 PM |
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Adsl over copper pairs is always going to be the limiting factor for BT.....
its the last mile that will always be the limiting factor.
Im thinking that a local project bringing fibre up to the village would be the best way to get decent net speeds.
Cable is trailing 100 meg  but the network will never extend to the rural areas at the current rate of growth. There is just not the cash for them
to build a full blown system in the rural setting. Fibre to the cab or home may be the saving grace.
[Edited on 10-10-10 by mangogrooveworkshop]
[Edited on 10-10-10 by mangogrooveworkshop]
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stevebubs
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| posted on 10/10/10 at 06:54 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mangogrooveworkshop
Adsl over copper pairs is always going to be the limiting factor for BT.....
its the last mile that will always be the limiting factor.
Im thinking that a local project bringing fibre up to the village would be the best way to get decent net speeds.
Cable is trailing 100 meg but the network will never extend to the rural areas at the current rate of growth. There is just not the cash for them
to build a full blown system in the rural setting. Fibre to the cab or home may be the saving grace.
[Edited on 10-10-10 by mangogrooveworkshop]
[Edited on 10-10-10 by mangogrooveworkshop]
Spot on - and some local authorities are doing something about fibre..
http://www.digitalregionbroadband.co.uk/
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