morcus
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| posted on 27/7/11 at 11:10 PM |
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How different is a Touring car from it's road car equivelent.
As per title, how do you get from a factory car to a BTCC car?
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sorens2
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| posted on 27/7/11 at 11:17 PM |
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Tom K said that the Audi A4 has 2 parts that is the same.
Front and rear badge.
Soren S2
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norfolkluego
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| posted on 28/7/11 at 12:25 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by morcus
As per title, how do you get from a factory car to a BTCC car?
Spend £250,000
[Edited on 28/7/11 by norfolkluego]
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 28/7/11 at 01:01 AM |
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For starters iirc the DTW Astra (as per Gran Turismo 4+5) has a V8 in it.
The biggest engine in the road version was a 2.2.
I suppose after that a roll cage, fire supression, massive weight reduction surgery and drivetrain etc setup...
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Ben_Copeland
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| posted on 28/7/11 at 06:10 AM |
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They don't start with a road car. It's completely different. Only things the same is the shape of it (loosely based) and the badges.
As above...
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NigeEss
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| posted on 28/7/11 at 07:01 AM |
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Yup, the badges and sillouette.
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BenB
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| posted on 28/7/11 at 08:15 AM |
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Yup, the outline and that's about it.
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Furyous
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| posted on 28/7/11 at 08:17 AM |
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Is BTCC like NASCAR where the headlights are just stickers on the body work?  Although, NASCAR cars don't even look remotely like the
production versions.
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loggyboy
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| posted on 28/7/11 at 08:18 AM |
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Even the silloutte is often different. Ive heard/read stories of people buying ex touring cars, trying to replace the windscreen and finding the cars
a few inches shorter than standard!
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MikeFellows
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| posted on 28/7/11 at 08:21 AM |
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im not sure its as extreme as people are making out
the chassis must be pretty much identical as its required for homolgomation
engines again will be 'based' around their road going versions - but everything will be uprated.
GM has an online shop that sells all the GM parts to take a 2.2 ecotec up to 800bhp for drag racing - im sure they sell the btcc bits too (they have
to for homolgomation i believe)
might be wrong but it certainly used to be like this
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scootz
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| posted on 28/7/11 at 08:22 AM |
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You sometimes see them popping up on racecarsdirect and similar websites. In fact, there was a Nissan Primera BTC listed for sale only a few weeks
ago.
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MikeFellows
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| posted on 28/7/11 at 08:23 AM |
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I foudn the shop
clicky
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nick205
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| posted on 28/7/11 at 08:23 AM |
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Touring cars aren't space framed are they?
I'd guess they at least start with a production body shell, but hack it about a hell of a lot to get to the finished car.
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hughpinder
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| posted on 28/7/11 at 08:35 AM |
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My next door neighbour has a BTCC subaru from afew years back, that was actually winning the lombard rally (until it broke...).
All the interior is stripped, and has different seat/steering wheel, pedals, plumbed in fire extinguisher and harnesses rather than seat belts.
The car is heavier than a standard tin top version due to all the extra metal weled in (so he says anyway).
The whole body was stripped, and every seam welded along its full length with extra re-inforcing added 'where needed', then the roll cage
built in.
His dash is a nasty looking digitaljob, but if you unclip it, the standard instrument panel is still there behind it all!
The fuel tank in the boot/adjustable shocks/brakes are pretty non standard too!
Fuel consumption when flat out on the special racing fuel at 1.5mpg is a bit non standard as well!
Regards
Hugh
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myke pocock
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| posted on 28/7/11 at 08:44 AM |
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1.5mpg!!!!??? The fuel guage must be faster than the car.
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wylliezx9r
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| posted on 28/7/11 at 09:10 AM |
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Not a fecking lot LOL
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Irony
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| posted on 28/7/11 at 09:15 AM |
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Wasn't there a post a while back that mentioned some car manufacturers making a 'limited run' of production cars with uprated
systems just so they can race them and comply with the rules
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blakep82
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| posted on 28/7/11 at 10:54 AM |
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when was subaru in BTCC?
during the mid 90s (with the audis and the volvo estates) they were proper race cars with the road cars body hung on the them, but i thought they
started with an actual road car chassis now.
this will be interesting
http://www.thorneymotorsport.co.uk/media/Touring_Car_Press_Release.shtml
they actually mention the insignia is a big chassis, so they must be starting with it
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procomp
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| posted on 28/7/11 at 11:36 AM |
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Hi
Friend was running an ITC Alfa at Donington on a test-day and had the bonnet come a drift and take the screen out. Thinking it was end off day ( and
expensive unobtainable replacement required ) some bright spark suggested Auto-glass. Honestly couldn't believe it when they turn up and replace
with a STD screen in 2Hrs.
Cheers Matt
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richardlee237
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| posted on 28/7/11 at 11:37 AM |
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Quite a bit looking at this . WTCC Lacetti as driven by Mr Muller
 
WTCC Lacetti front suspension
Quote Lord Kelvin
“Large increases in cost with questionable increases in performance can be tolerated only in race horses and women.”
Quote Richard Lee
"and cars"
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bi22le
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| posted on 28/7/11 at 12:06 PM |
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That picture only works I we know what a Lacetti looks like with one of the wheels removed!!
All being serious though the upright and suspension mods look serious but WTCC is a higher class of modification to BTCC. DTM is even higher than
both.
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richardlee237
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| posted on 28/7/11 at 12:32 PM |
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Good point
But I do know my wifes Focus dosen"t look like this.
280 bhp Duratec
 
AON BTCC Focus
Quote Lord Kelvin
“Large increases in cost with questionable increases in performance can be tolerated only in race horses and women.”
Quote Richard Lee
"and cars"
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Doctor Derek Doctors
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| posted on 28/7/11 at 01:04 PM |
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Its not as much as people make out, well it wasn't. I've not been in BTCC since 2006 but back then the team I worked for used to bring a
standard road car along to the event in a truck to scavenge bits from.
It depends on the series as well, DTM is completely unrelated to road cars, BTCC of aold was pretty close in comparison.
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zilspeed
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| posted on 28/7/11 at 03:02 PM |
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Any series you care to mention will always mention all the bits which must be standard and will tell you that you can't modify unless expressly
permitted to do so.
Having said that, there's standard and there's standard.
Nobody in their right mind would race a formula ford without a pukka race engine in it, even though that engine is notionally standard.
When it comes to tintops, the mounting points for suspension are the are where they try to maintain some semblance of a connection with the road going
car for years. The manufacturers have been playing the rule makes at their own game for years and making replica bits which look almost the same but
are a critical few mm different.
They get caught at it every so often. TWR did with the Volvos back in the nineties.
These days, mechanicals are all custom parts which never saw service in a road car, but the basic block and head will have seen service in soem
product that the manufacturer produces. Other than that, nada.
Whoever heard of a turbocharged Honda Civic ?
The rules allow it though, so it's in.
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hughpinder
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| posted on 28/7/11 at 03:19 PM |
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Blake -you're right of course wrt my last post - its a WRC not a BTCC car.
Regards
Hugh
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