Lawnmower
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 posted on 4/9/04 at 12:45 AM |
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Donor car: Jaguar XJ6
Hi, bought 'The Book' a few weeks ago and got me thinking. Have noticed Jaguar xj6's are quite cheap, around £100-150 on ebay, but
am not certain whether these would make a good donor.
I think the chassis would have to be leghthend and widedned, but are any other problems likley to crop up, ie weight distibution all wrong, too much
power to weight, handling etc.
Any advice for a complete novice???
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Arthur Dent
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| posted on 4/9/04 at 03:00 AM |
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way too much weight! That inline six - although nice weighs more than more V8s 
'The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go
wrong goes wrong, it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair.' Douglas Adams
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Smooth Torquer
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 posted on 4/9/04 at 06:44 AM |
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It has been done already
I think it has been done before using a Luego Viento chassis, which is basically a scaled up version of a book chassis.
See here : Jag Viento (its the top one)
Cheers
Sam 
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JoelP
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| posted on 4/9/04 at 07:21 AM |
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in my opinion, using it as a donor isnt completely foolish, but there are many better donors. As already said, everything will weigh loads more than
smaller donor car parts. The size of the engine will make the build a little harder. Plus, the major killer IMHO is the fact that it will almost
certainly be an auto. Crap for a 7 replica!
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Viper
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| posted on 4/9/04 at 07:21 AM |
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I have to ask....WHY??
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 4/9/04 at 01:14 PM |
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I had an xj-s that used the same runninf gear.
think.
do you want parts from a 1.8 ton car to make a 500kg sports car.
nope.
take a look at one - everythign is big and tank like to suit purpose. The back axle alone must weigh 2/3 the weight of a locost.
If you do it, its possible, but you wont end up with a seven - more like a giant version of one.
atb
steve
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andyps
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| posted on 4/9/04 at 01:48 PM |
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Use it to build a Kougar, rather than a seven replica. There are some great features in the jag running gear, but it is too big for a locost in my
view.
Andy
An expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less
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Lawnmower
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| posted on 5/9/04 at 06:48 PM |
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Thanks all!
My main reasons for thinking about using an old jag is that they are cheap to buy 2nd hand, have got a good engine (please correct me if I am wrong),
have always wanted a Jg, think they look good, could posssably use some of the more asthetic parts, dont like fords (oh the irony).
Other than a bigger chassis, which would surely make it more comfortable? Is the weight/size of it likely to screw around with the handling? all the
weight at te front? The heavier axles would surely offset this?
Its either a Locost varient or a series landy, as I currently have a 1986 nissan micra spare (btw its for sale: 11month mot, <34k miles) and an
astra estate diesal car for work.
Thing is if i lose the heavy drivetrain axles etc, then I have to find replacements that will cope with the torque etc of the engine. and am planning
(spose you all are too, otherwise you would just buy a ferrari) to build at a small budget.
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Lawnmower
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| posted on 5/9/04 at 06:50 PM |
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Had a look at the kougars website, seem they try and build it all outof Jags if possable.
Is there anything wrong in just having a big Locost?
8 grand for a kit is way outta budget!
http://www.kougar-cars.com/showroom.htm
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Lawnmower
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| posted on 5/9/04 at 09:03 PM |
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Would I need to use stronger steel for the chassis, or would the books eneral patteren be suffficient?
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 5/9/04 at 11:10 PM |
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take a good look at the jag bits before you do this......
a seven is based on power to weight. a minimalist car with moderate power = big performance cos of power to weight advantage.
jag bits are heavy , and you wont end up with a locost.
if you can, take a look at a cater ham or westie, they are small, and it looks right. Once you start to scale up the size (mine is 6 ins wider, and
not excatly std all round) they start to look lard assed and huge.
Another thing to take into account is engine height - a jag is likely to give a really high bonnet and look like a bathtub on wheels like that big
luego thing.
atb
steve
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James
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| posted on 6/9/04 at 11:11 AM |
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Lawnmower,
Sierra's are pretty damn cheap too!
Bear in mind that changing the chassis dimensions will mess up the bodywork. You'll then have to patch something together- believe me, I'm
at this stage and it's a pain!
At the end of the day you can fit anything. It's all a question of time and money. Think about it carefully as three years from now when your
car still isn't finished you may regret not building a standard chassis with standard running gear and a normal sized engine!
Cheers,
James
P.S. Does the Jag engine use carbs or EFI?
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 6/9/04 at 01:07 PM |
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you mean there are people that deviate so far from the book design it takes three years to finish!!!!!
Wish it was that short
atb
marathon man
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locost_bryan
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| posted on 7/9/04 at 04:23 AM |
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XJ6 would make a good donor for an E-type replica - after all, the E-type was the donor for the original XJ6
Bound to be manual gearbox conversions around for the Jag 6 - the XK engine was a manual, not sure if Jag did a manual AJ6 (or later 6).
Bryan Miller
Auckland NZ
Bruce McLaren - "Where's my F1 car?"
John Cooper - "In that rack of tubes, son"
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 8/9/04 at 09:14 AM |
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They did
I was used in the XJ-s as a manual.
atb
steve
quote:
Originally posted by locost_bryan
XJ6 would make a good donor for an E-type replica - after all, the E-type was the donor for the original XJ6
Bound to be manual gearbox conversions around for the Jag 6 - the XK engine was a manual, not sure if Jag did a manual AJ6 (or later 6).
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mackie
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| posted on 8/9/04 at 09:23 AM |
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I believe it used basically the same manual box as the SD1, the LT77.
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pbura
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| posted on 8/9/04 at 05:24 PM |
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Something along the lines of a C-type would be very cool. Simple body with aeroscreens.
Pete
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Lawnmower
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| posted on 9/9/04 at 08:19 PM |
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Hi just bought a 1963 land rover 2a diesel off of ebay-top speed of 55mph! So locost project will just be 'designing' for a while.
thanks all!
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 9/9/04 at 08:49 PM |
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thats pretty opposite of a locost, mr undecided
atb
steve
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James
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| posted on 10/9/04 at 09:40 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Lawnmower
Hi just bought a 1963 land rover 2a diesel off of ebay-top speed of 55mph! So locost project will just be 'designing' for a while.
thanks all!
What are you intending to do with it, restore it?
Put up some pictures!
James
[Edited on 10/9/04 by James]
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mackie
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| posted on 10/9/04 at 09:46 AM |
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Put a Jag straight six in it 
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Lawnmower
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| posted on 10/9/04 at 09:16 PM |
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I am intending to learn car mechanics and welding with it, as well as go offroading with it. My father in law, an ex used car dealer, is lending me
his gas welding kit next wednesday!
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Tblue
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| posted on 10/9/04 at 09:25 PM |
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Have fun learning with gas, it's a hard technique to master and whatever you do remove all combustibles and keep some form of extinguisher
handy. I use an old washing up bottle filled with water, puts out the fire without soaking everything. Try to remove all the rust too as it will fly
off under the heat and shower you in red hot cinders.
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Lawnmower
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| posted on 10/9/04 at 09:39 PM |
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Got a feeling i will be learning the hard way. As regards the jag/locost I was thinking about somehow sing the grill off the jag in the nose cone,
the older xj6's grills aren;t quite as elongated as the newer ones...
Its all just ideas at the moment, but then so was the landy 6 months back, and i get that tomorrow!
Was perhps thinking of raping one of these for parts:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2487812626&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT
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