Monty2556
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| posted on 22/5/14 at 08:10 PM |
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Engine to replace 1600 xflow
I've got a Locost which used to have a 1300 xflow. I bought a 1600 xflow which I've just started up and the big ends are knackered. So
that's £300 plus hours of work down the pan. Decided that the cost of another 1600 would be greater than, say, a Zetec but how difficult is it
to replace a xflow with a Zetec. Anyone got a definitive list of what's involved.
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kj
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| posted on 22/5/14 at 08:17 PM |
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Gone from 1700 x-flow to zx9
Think about it, think about it again and then do it.
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steve m
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| posted on 22/5/14 at 08:18 PM |
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Keep with the xflow £60 worth of bearings and its a good engine
I always keep a spare engine in the garage
steve
Thats was probably spelt wrong, or had some grammer, that the "grammer police have to have a moan at
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Ugg10
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| posted on 22/5/14 at 08:40 PM |
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The 1.6 zetec is not a good engine by all accounts, the weakest oerformer of the range. The replacement will probably be in the order of £1.5-3k by
the time you are finished unless you are a wiz with electrics and more importantly have space for all of the oem inlet/sensors etc.
Basic list will be exhaust headers, someway of getting fuel in (carbs, bike carbs, throttle bodies), some way of getting spark [and injection]
(emerald, omex, ms or possibly oem ecu if you are clever), may need to change the sump and waterpump, alternator may need brackets and plumbing will
need changing. Note there is a way of running the 1.8 silvertop zetec on a stock ecu, cams and weber 40's to give about 140hp, you need the
right ecu and the right jets but runs pretty well. Designed for homologation for formula ford I was told.
In summary not a trivial task.
If I had to stick to 1.6 I would be looking at the 1.6 zetec se/sigma, you will need all of the above plus a new bell housing and the exhaust is on
the other side so some body work will be needed.
You could also look at a cvh turbo (fiesta or escort rs turbo) or a zvh turbo (zetec bottom end with cvh turbo head, not seen many 1.6 zvh though).
Or finally the vauxhall 1.6 16v XE is pretty well regarded.
Sorry lots of options but you may need to revisit the £ numbers before replacing the xflow with anything else, all do-able at a cost.
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DW100
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| posted on 22/5/14 at 08:48 PM |
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You can probably drop the sump with the engine still in place and have a look at / change the bearings. Oil pump is external too.
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steve m
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| posted on 22/5/14 at 08:51 PM |
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u can drop the sump (engine in car) but the only bearing that cant be changed is the rear crank main bearing
it can be doen, but is a bitch of a job if your lying on your back doing it
Thats was probably spelt wrong, or had some grammer, that the "grammer police have to have a moan at
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Eggy
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| posted on 22/5/14 at 08:58 PM |
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I'm after a 1600 xflow too
If you decide not to rebuild it 
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perksy
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| posted on 22/5/14 at 09:44 PM |
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The crank journals really need checking for ovality with a micrometer, as if their out the new bearings won't last long.
You might get lucky, But then you might not, So better to be safe than sorry...
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Ugg10
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| posted on 22/5/14 at 10:08 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Eggy
I'm after a 1600 xflow too
If you decide not to rebuild it
There is one for sale on oldskoolfords, looks like a good deal and is a god price as it has been hanging around/messed around on ebay and looks like
the guy wants shot of it.
http://www.oldskoolford.co.uk/ipb/index.php?/topic/76572-1600-xflow/
[Edited on 22/5/14 by Ugg10]
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mcerd1
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| posted on 23/5/14 at 08:12 AM |
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is there any reason you want to stick to a 1600 engine ?
quote:
Originally posted by Ugg10
The 1.6 zetec is not a good engine by all accounts, the weakest oerformer of the range
^^ what he said the 1.8/2.0 'zetec E' engines would be a better and cheaper option as you wouldn't need a new bellhousing and the
exhaust is on the same side as the x-flow, but even these would need manifolds, carb's and a something to sort the sparks out (a few ways to do
this, some cheaper than others)
1.8 zetec's are cheaper than the 2.0 ones and its a nice revvy engine too 
you can still buy brand new crate engines if you want for ~£500 (focus spec)
the very first zetec E's came as a 1600 (found in some escorts and even sierra's - but these are like rocking horse poo now and the later
focus spec engines are better anyway)
but a new set of bearings for the x-flow will be a lot cheaper, even if the crank needs reground its still a lot cheaper...
[Edited on 23/5/2014 by mcerd1]
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johnny5
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| posted on 23/5/14 at 11:13 AM |
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xflow replacement
Hi......
1st post for me so hello to all from Brighton!
I am in the process of changing from a 1600 xflow to a 2ltr zetec blacktop...... and what a nightmare its proven to be so far!
I managed to get a zetec from a 2001 ford focus, so that makes it a phase 3 zetec, the one with the 2 piece sump assembly, which means when you try to
bolt up the type 9 gearbox the starter motor apature is hidden by the sump 
So i had to source a single piece alloy sump from a phase 1 zetec, not so difficult you might say, untill i realised the oil pick up pipe is different
so had to source one from a different phase 1 zetec......
Had the sump modified and baffles welded in by my mate at work who can tig weld.....
Ive gone for R1 bike carbs (£120) from ebay, and megajolt ignition whuich was flipping expensive!!!!!!
Ive also had to get a different prop as the type e 4 speed box cant handle to power from the zetec
All in all its been a rough ride so far, but im sure the smile when i plant the throttle for the 1st time will make up for it
J5
YOLO..........
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19sac65
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| posted on 23/5/14 at 12:00 PM |
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Budget dictates what you end up doing
If you really fancy more power and a later engine then zetec is the easiest option
I bought a rs1800 silvertop to replace my cvh
Turned out a straightforward swap tbh
A silvertop escort/fiesta sump pan is at the front of the engine and was 1/4 shallower than my cvh-so no cutting,starter fits,no water pump
issues,flywheel takes a mondeo 1.6 clutch which mates with a 23 spline gearbox
It depends on how handy you are as to how much itll cost
I bought an inlet manifold kit off ebay and made it up myself - with cbr carbs
I hear an st170 manifold can be cut so that bike carbs fit too
Buy a bike fuel pump-that way you dont need a pressure regulator
You can get exh flanges and modify your manifold if you want to keep costs down or search classified for a used one
Ign can be sorted with the esc off a late fiesta or escort ( dizzyless models with the coil pack on the back of the block)
Thatll run a zetec quite well,beyond that theres a whole loads of ign only ecus
Ime delighted with my conversion - a modern 16 valve twin cam engine is so much nicer
Doesnt have the character of the xflow mind
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mcerd1
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| posted on 23/5/14 at 12:13 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by johnny5
I am in the process of changing from a 1600 xflow to a 2ltr zetec blacktop...... and what a nightmare its proven to be so far!
actually that doesn't sound all that bad - but if you were finding all the little issues as you went then I can see why it would feel like a
nightmare...
if any of the mod's seem like too much hard work then their are often off the shelf aftermarket parts to do the job (for a price of course)
this give you a good idea of whats involved:
http://www.toyne.org.uk/zetec-fitment.html
(btw - the 1.8 CVH to silvertop swap is a bit easier than most - depending on how you go about it you can even use the CVH starter and sump)
[Edited on 23/5/2014 by mcerd1]
[Edited on 23/5/2014 by mcerd1]
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johnny5
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| posted on 23/5/14 at 12:52 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mcerd1
quote:
Originally posted by johnny5
I am in the process of changing from a 1600 xflow to a 2ltr zetec blacktop...... and what a nightmare its proven to be so far!
actually that doesn't sound all that bad - but if you were finding all the little issues as you went then I can see why it would feel like a
nightmare...
if any of the mod's seem like too much hard work then their are often off the shelf aftermarket parts to do the job (for a price of course)
this give you a good idea of whats involved:
http://www.toyne.org.uk/zetec-fitment.html
(btw - the 1.8 CVH to silvertop swap is a bit easier than most - depending on how you go about it you can even use the CVH starter and sump)
[Edited on 23/5/2014 by mcerd1]
[Edited on 23/5/2014 by mcerd1]
Well...... ive had to cut back the bulkhead of the car too as the zetec is 3 inches longer than the xflow..... so wouldnt physically fit the engine
bay, ive still got the different gearbox mount to sort out, also the engine mounts because they are totally different on the zetec, still to sort out
the exhaust manifold, cooling system, clutch, flywheel, and the wiring for the megajolt...... #
That said i did get a bargain on the R1 fuel pump, managed to get a new one from the bay for 26quid!!
Bargain
J5
YOLO..........
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whitestu
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| posted on 23/5/14 at 01:23 PM |
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quote:
I managed to get a zetec from a 2001 ford focus, so that makes it a phase 3 zetec, the one with the 2 piece sump assembly, which means when you try to
bolt up the type 9 gearbox the starter motor apature is hidden by the sump
There are no issues with bolting a Phase 3 Zetec to a type 9 but you do need to grind off some of the alloy on the upper part of the sump to make
clearance for the starter. This doesn't cause any issues though.
The two part Blacktop sump is actually really easy to shorten.
Personally I'd junk the xflow and get 1.8 Zetec as they are dead cheap. In fact buy a complete Mondeo or Focus for a few hundred quid and follow
Big_wasa's advice for using standard efi.
I used carbs when I swapped mine but had I known standard efi could be made to work that's what I'd have done.
Stu
[Edited on 23/5/14 by whitestu]
[Edited on 23/5/14 by whitestu]
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johnny5
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| posted on 23/5/14 at 01:49 PM |
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I managed to get a damaged ford focus complete for 160quid, i removed the engine and other bits i needed and then broke the rest of the car for
spares, i made back almost what i paid for the car just by selling the interior!
YOLO..........
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19sac65
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| posted on 23/5/14 at 01:53 PM |
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Plumbing is quite straightforward if you search for diagrams
Theres an overcooling mod thats worth doing otherwise they rarely get up to temp
I bought a little denso alternator , a kabuta one i think, dirt cheap off ebay and mounted it on the o/s under the inlet
Theyre the same as brise ones but far cheaper
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Monty2556
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| posted on 23/5/14 at 03:43 PM |
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1600 engine
Many thanks for all your replies. I'll take the engine out and get the crank checked. It only "rattled" for a few seconds when I
first fired it up so maybe I'm lucky.
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emlyno
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| posted on 23/5/14 at 07:42 PM |
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Apologies for hijacking the thread, has anyone swapped a xflow with a Mazda 1.6/1.8 (+gearbox)?
Anyone know the difference in dimensions?
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