Hi I've just bought an engineless Eagle RV - a Jeep Wrangler replica.
As it's engineless I'd like to fit a reasonably modern diesel into it. It's Sierra based and of course it's RWD.
What do people recommend Diesel Engine&Transmission - wise?
I'd prefer something reasonably car like so I'm hesitant to go for a Transit setup and was thinking of a mondeo diesel/type 9/MT75 (or
even automatic) - but I dont know if those would match up at the bell housing. There is also I believe a Peugeot based XUD engine - but the same
transmission question applies
Grab an Audi/VW 3.0L V6 TDI engine and auto box That'd be a bucket of giggles :p
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Would the last person who leaves the country please switch off the lights and close the door!
The obvious choice would be a Sierra diesel engine. Not too complicated, straight forward fit and reasonably reliable.
Or a modern common rail engine that will require all sorts of things done to mechanically fit it in the vehicle and all the complication of getting
the electronics to work right.
Of course as simple as possible, but I was hoping for something more modern than a sierra?
I can do simple stuff like engine mountings, exhausts & prop shafts
Does the Duratorq engine have the same compatible bell housing config as the zetec petrol?
Having gone through the process of getting a modern common rail diesel to work in a kit car, i would recommend not bothering unless you really want
to.
Any engine with a mechanical injection pump will be simple to wire up. The VW PD engines are also fairly straightforward - maybe the 1.9 tdi from a
2002 ish Passat would be a good choice, as its already an inline setup.
Sierra diesel engine would be easiest if you already have the gearbox/prop sorted, although I know little about their tuning potential etc. Never seen
a diesel sierra in the scrapyard before, I see at least 10 XUD powered pugs/citroens every time i'm in there. That's the route I went with
an LDV pilot gearbox. Very simple, if you want to go that route I'd be happy to answer any questions. Here's my XUD powered kit:
quote:Originally posted by Norfolkluegojnr
What diesel was used in the Omega? that was RWD as standard so might be a bit easier to convert.
Wiki tells me its the X20DTH or X25TD depending on what flavour you're after.
From memory; omega (2nd gen) were bmw lumps (2.5 6cilinders) and the first gen were Isuzu ?
quite substantial anchors
XUD, like mentioned, would have my vote
Or also;
Mercedes-Benz OM668
Mercedes-Benz OM640
these are ammong the best P2W diesel out there...
FWD indeed... but I've seen a lot of gearbox magic on this forum
One of the magazines in the early 2000's (CCC or PPC I think) was doing a series of articles about a guy putting a 1.9 TDI in a seven. There are
1.8T > Type 9 bell housings about if the 1.9 TDI is the same bolt pattern.
One of the early 320D M47D20 engine (non common rail) with manual gearbox may be the best choice if not going for the sierra, plenty about.
Or if you do not need the speed then a landy defender 2.2/2,5l engines may be interesting and pretty well bomb proof and could possibly fit a rover
rwd gearbox (need to look that up but wiki says LT77 will fit).
I've got a E36 3 series 318 tds sat about that I'm going to be breaking in the near future I think it's a 1.7 turbo diesel but quite
low tech I would have thought but already with a rwd box already on it. I think the omegas where a 2.5 bmw Diesel engine, they put them in range
rovers aswell so possibly would mate to a R380 box?
Thanks everyone.
As to the 'why' it's because its a jeep and I want to tow with it and arn't interested in speed (for this car anyway)
Weirdly I've just been to see what I bought and heard it previously had a Rover V8 in it! But that's not for me on this project
From the above it looks like LDV pilot engine (which is I think a Ford MT75 with a specific bell housing, plus XUD engine
I like the Seven!
Also prices and availability look pretty good
quote:Originally posted by Benzine
Sierra diesel engine would be easiest if you already have the gearbox/prop sorted, although I know little about their tuning potential etc. Never seen
a diesel sierra in the scrapyard before, I see at least 10 XUD powered pugs/citroens every time i'm in there. That's the route I went with
an LDV pilot gearbox. Very simple, if you want to go that route I'd be happy to answer any questions. Here's my XUD powered kit:
[Edited on 3-6-2014 by Benzine]
That looks brilliant. Looks like the only silencer you have is the turbo itself?
So what was involved in getting that lot to work? Would I be right in thinking the LDV pilot engine/gearbox were from the same vehicle? or at least
that the XUD is also used in the pilot?
Ive heard the MT75 gearbox comes with loads of different bellhousings and that they are usually in one piece with the gearbox itself, unlike the
Type9, so I guess it's important to get the right one
quote:Originally posted by spegru
That looks brilliant. Looks like the only silencer you have is the turbo itself?
So what was involved in getting that lot to work? Would I be right in thinking the LDV pilot engine/gearbox were from the same vehicle? or at least
that the XUD is also used in the pilot?
Yeah no silencer, turbo does a good job of that Getting everything to work is straight forward. Pilot gearbox mates to the XUD engine using a
peugeot HDi flywheel and pressure plate, a ford galaxy friction disk (I got a custom one made for about £45 that was slightly bigger than the galaxy -
I think people have used the galaxy one as it's a close match when flicking through the parts catalogues in terms of having the same splines as
the pilot box, but there's room for a bigger one) and a spigot bearing from LDV (a few quid) Then you need a 12v switched ignition feed to the
fuel stop solenoid, glowplug relay and the usual starter motor wiring, that's all the wiring involved. As it's a turbo engine, just a
single pipe exhaust which is easier to make than a 4 to 1 jobby. Cam & pump timing are very, very simple.
I think the XUDs found in pilots are all N/A? (except maybe a few rare turbo'd ones) I'm not sure what the sump is like from a pilot xud
though, I could use a standard one so never looked into it.
Well, I'm a fan of diesels as can be seen elsewhere on here. I think if the op wants diesel then BMW or Jaguar are the way to go - and as
it's going into an Eagle RV that I'm assuming has already been on the road, I'd suggest buying a complete donor and using as much as
poss of the running gear:- rear end, modded prop, gearbox, engine, ecu, loom and instruments. That way, the loom can be trimmed out of non essentials
like windows etc and all should be grand :d
quote:Originally posted by dinosaurjuice
Having gone through the process of getting a modern common rail diesel to work in a kit car, i would recommend not bothering unless you really want
to.
Any engine with a mechanical injection pump will be simple to wire up. The VW PD engines are also fairly straightforward - maybe the 1.9 tdi from a
2002 ish Passat would be a good choice, as its already an inline setup.
have no idea about gearboxes....
Still thinking about this and wondering if XUD is powerful enough considering you can easily get 130 BHP mondeo engines. I've also done a RWD
Zetec using factory injection so complexity is not that scary. Since you've done a modern common rail diesel could you give a few more
details?
quote:Originally posted by dinosaurjuice
Having gone through the process of getting a modern common rail diesel to work in a kit car, i would recommend not bothering unless you really want
to.
Any engine with a mechanical injection pump will be simple to wire up. The VW PD engines are also fairly straightforward - maybe the 1.9 tdi from a
2002 ish Passat would be a good choice, as its already an inline setup.
have no idea about gearboxes....
Still thinking about this and wondering if XUD is powerful enough considering you can easily get 130 BHP mondeo engines. I've also done a RWD
Zetec using factory injection so complexity is not that scary. Since you've done a modern common rail diesel could you give a few more
details?
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Well if you want a real power house,
BMW e60 535d 272bhp and 560nm
Over here they were quite popular, so binned ones are available.
Use the entire drivetrain and get custom driveshafts
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posted on 4/6/14 at 07:54 AM
quote:Originally posted by dinosaurjuice
Having gone through the process of getting a modern common rail diesel to work in a kit car, i would recommend not bothering unless you really want
to.
Any engine with a mechanical injection pump will be simple to wire up. The VW PD engines are also fairly straightforward - maybe the 1.9 tdi from a
2002 ish Passat would be a good choice, as its already an inline setup.
That'd be a bucket of giggles :p
