joneh
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| posted on 21/3/15 at 08:27 PM |
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Correctly registered Q Plate "Trigger's Broom"
What is this guy thinking?
ebay linky
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Paul W
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| posted on 21/3/15 at 08:42 PM |
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saw that earlier & asked whats it called on v5
his reply
"its just Locost sports still 1300cc colour red. hope this helps"
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JoelP
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| posted on 21/3/15 at 08:47 PM |
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Technically legal if the chassis were identical? Difficult to prove though, as the original was probably homemade too.
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big_wasa
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| posted on 21/3/15 at 08:52 PM |
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I made that chassis 
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joneh
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| posted on 21/3/15 at 08:54 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
Technically legal if the chassis were identical? Difficult to prove though, as the original was probably homemade too.
Maybe, but engine or gearbox isn't included, suspension is new, front uprights and majority of brakes are new or need replacing.
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Slimy38
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| posted on 21/3/15 at 09:07 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
Technically legal if the chassis were identical? Difficult to prove though, as the original was probably homemade too.
I didn't think it was legal to replace the chassis, even with an identical one? As you say it's difficult to prove, but putting one
chassis number on another chassis is 'ringing', regardless of what kind of chassis.
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jps
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| posted on 21/3/15 at 09:29 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Slimy38
quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
Technically legal if the chassis were identical? Difficult to prove though, as the original was probably homemade too.
I didn't think it was legal to replace the chassis, even with an identical one? As you say it's difficult to prove, but putting one
chassis number on another chassis is 'ringing', regardless of what kind of chassis.
I'm fairly sure you can reshell a tin-top without having to IVA it, and in monocoque designs the shell IS the chassis...
In principle this is the same thing...
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theduck
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| posted on 21/3/15 at 09:33 PM |
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You can replace chassis with a like for like. not sure how it stands with a locost as there isnt a standard chassis manufacturer
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joneh
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| posted on 21/3/15 at 09:53 PM |
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You can replace a subframe (also called a chassis) on cars such as a Morgan , TVR or Triumph etc but I thought a full Chassis that actually makes up
the bulk of the body would need the DVLA notifying?
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JoelP
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| posted on 21/3/15 at 10:01 PM |
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Land Rovers and rally cars are examples of vehicles that get completely rebuilt with new components. I don't believe it's illegal.
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whitestu
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| posted on 21/3/15 at 10:08 PM |
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Plenty of 2CVs have had a replacement chassis fitted. Is that illegal?
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joneh
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| posted on 21/3/15 at 10:13 PM |
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Gov link
Keep a vehicle’s original registration number
A rebuilt vehicle can keep its original registration number if you can prove you’ve used:
the original unmodified chassis or bodyshell (car or light van)
a new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the same specification as the original (car or light van)
the original unmodified frame (motorbike)
a new frame of the same specification as the original (motorbike)
You must also have 2 other major components from the original vehicle from the following lists.
For cars or light vans:
suspension (front and back)
steering assembly
axles (both)
transmission
engine
As this eBay car has no engine, gearbox, new chassis and suspension and different front axel, I'd say not legal...
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Nickp
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| posted on 22/3/15 at 07:52 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by joneh
Gov link
Keep a vehicle’s original registration number
A rebuilt vehicle can keep its original registration number if you can prove you’ve used:
the original unmodified chassis or bodyshell (car or light van)
a new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the same specification as the original (car or light van)
the original unmodified frame (motorbike)
a new frame of the same specification as the original (motorbike)
You must also have 2 other major components from the original vehicle from the following lists.
For cars or light vans:
suspension (front and back)
steering assembly
axles (both)
transmission
engine
As this eBay car has no engine, gearbox, new chassis and suspension and different front axel, I'd say not legal...
So you'd be queueing up for an IVA after burning your Locost V5? I know I wouldn't 
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joneh
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| posted on 22/3/15 at 08:10 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Nickp
quote:
Originally posted by joneh
Gov link
Keep a vehicle’s original registration number
A rebuilt vehicle can keep its original registration number if you can prove you’ve used:
the original unmodified chassis or bodyshell (car or light van)
a new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the same specification as the original (car or light van)
the original unmodified frame (motorbike)
a new frame of the same specification as the original (motorbike)
You must also have 2 other major components from the original vehicle from the following lists.
For cars or light vans:
suspension (front and back)
steering assembly
axles (both)
transmission
engine
As this eBay car has no engine, gearbox, new chassis and suspension and different front axel, I'd say not legal...
So you'd be queueing up for an IVA after burning your Locost V5? I know I wouldn't
I wouldn't be selling it as legal to any Tom dick or Harry to put back on the road without an inspection.
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JoelP
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| posted on 22/3/15 at 08:11 AM |
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I would agree that he's on thin ice, changing so much so fast. Had he finished the rebuild he could've swapped the other components at
will. Also selling it halfway through is just asking for trouble.
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Nickp
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| posted on 22/3/15 at 08:25 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by joneh
quote:
Originally posted by Nickp
quote:
Originally posted by joneh
Gov link
Keep a vehicle’s original registration number
A rebuilt vehicle can keep its original registration number if you can prove you’ve used:
the original unmodified chassis or bodyshell (car or light van)
a new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the same specification as the original (car or light van)
the original unmodified frame (motorbike)
a new frame of the same specification as the original (motorbike)
You must also have 2 other major components from the original vehicle from the following lists.
For cars or light vans:
suspension (front and back)
steering assembly
axles (both)
transmission
engine
As this eBay car has no engine, gearbox, new chassis and suspension and different front axel, I'd say not legal...
So you'd be queueing up for an IVA after burning your Locost V5? I know I wouldn't
I wouldn't be selling it as legal to any Tom dick or Harry to put back on the road without an inspection.
But surely it's up to the new owner what they do with it? They'd be doing the 'illegal' bit, not him. Sounds to me like
he's been pretty honest about what he's selling.
[Edited on 22/3/15 by Nickp]
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 22/3/15 at 08:43 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Nickp[/
But surely it's up to the new owner what they do with it? They'd be doing the 'illegal' bit, not him. Sounds to me like
he's been honest about what he's selling.
But he will be aiding and abbetting
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spaximus
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| posted on 22/3/15 at 10:58 PM |
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Seems to me as a group we find some pleasure in finding things wrong with adverts on here.
Now if it is a Dutton which is a GT40 then fair enough but remember this. If your cars passed IVA or SVA and you then take bits off the test
specifically requires then selling that is technically illegal as you are now selling a none compliant car.
Do we castigate people who do this? No of course not.
The advert is clear what has been done. The system allows a chassis to be replaced and there is nothing to stop him altering the engine as well so
long as he tells the DVLA.
He is not representing the car as something it is not, so I would suggest the DVLA would not bat an eye lid over this. The awarding of points to
register a vehicle is so that no one registers a car as new when it is made up of parts. If it has too many it is allocated a Q plate after IVA.
This vehicle has passed and will be subject to an MOT which is sufficient in my mind to ensure the safety of the vehicle.
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owelly
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| posted on 23/3/15 at 12:33 AM |
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Have you seen the sellers other items?
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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snapper
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| posted on 23/3/15 at 06:39 AM |
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You can legally reshell cars, Many restored MGB's are based on new shells
I don't see a problem most of our cars evolve over time
I eat to survive
I drink to forget
I breath to pi55 my ex wife off (and now my ex partner)
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prawnabie
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| posted on 23/3/15 at 12:10 PM |
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Post like this boil my blood sometimes as we as a community are all too quick to jump on the "ringer" bandwagon, but when it comes to
"get creative on word" when someone posts about getting a new plate no-one bats an eyelid - infact it is usually condoned.
Surely stopping the problem in the outset will go someway to lessening the problem down the line?
There is at least one example on the forum I can think of where a registered member has built a car using a mixture of new and second hand parts,
obtained a new reg and later on sold the car on this forum to someone without dilvulging the fact that it is incorrectly registered (prob because in
the builders eyes it isn't incorrectly registered, he just "got away with it".
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r1_pete
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| posted on 23/3/15 at 12:26 PM |
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Never mind all this re shelling, re chassising aiding and abetting, boiling blood and what not, are MT75s really worth £250 now, if they are I wish
I'd kept the two I gave away....
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Nickp
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| posted on 23/3/15 at 12:33 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by r1_pete
Never mind all this re shelling, re chassising aiding and abetting, boiling blood and what not, are MT75s really worth £250 now, if they are I wish
I'd kept the two I gave away....
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SCAR
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| posted on 23/3/15 at 12:52 PM |
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For this vehicle to be road legal you would have to complete a V627/1 pertaining to radically altered vehicles. This determines if you can keep the
original registration or not and would also apply to a vehicle re shell. The fact that people often don't follow this procedure due to it not
being policed doesn't mean its legal (or wise) to ignore it. The reason it becomes important on forums like this to be discussed is to inform
and help prevent the unknowledgeable making a big mistake.
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joneh
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| posted on 23/3/15 at 03:26 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by prawnabie
Post like this boil my blood sometimes as we as a community are all too quick to jump on the "ringer" bandwagon, but when it comes to
"get creative on word" when someone posts about getting a new plate no-one bats an eyelid - infact it is usually condoned.
Surely stopping the problem in the outset will go someway to lessening the problem down the line?
There is at least one example on the forum I can think of where a registered member has built a car using a mixture of new and second hand parts,
obtained a new reg and later on sold the car on this forum to someone without dilvulging the fact that it is incorrectly registered (prob because in
the builders eyes it isn't incorrectly registered, he just "got away with it".
Calm down dear! 
My original intention was to point out that to sell this as a legally registered car is nuts! As far as I can see the only component left from the
original build that counts towards a registration is the steering rack. If some clown buys this, builds it in their garage and then drives it on the
road without an IVA then that's bonkers and makes a mockery of the whole process. Let's say it fails on a suspension bolt or dodgy weld
then ploughs through a bus stop full of kids. Who's liable?
And if anyone thinks an MOT is enough to check this is safe than they're just as nuts. All in my opinion of course.
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