Kitcarjohn
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| posted on 19/2/16 at 08:09 PM |
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STRIKER WANTED
hi to everyone im looking for an 1985 1986 striker,better condition the better,for me to take to my place in France.
thanks in advance
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alfas
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| posted on 20/2/16 at 08:16 AM |
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you will hardly find a 1985 striker.....as this model was launched that year....majority of "old" strikers on the market are end 80ies,
beginning of 90ies... ....with some luck you may find one with a 1978 or even earlier registration date (donor-reg from ford escort) and correctly
registered as "sylva"...but even those are hard to find, as the market has been "bought empty" from all the
foreigners..exactly for the same reason like you.
the latest donor-reg (ford escort mk2) would be 1980.
if you find a striker with a reg-date of 1984 or 1982 for example....this will indicate that the v5c was possibly taken from a scrapped leader or
star...the v5c mostly never indicates "leader" "striker" or "star"...it usually mentions
"sylva"...makes swapping V5c“s easy.
you are in france, so you need a car with a reg-date older than 30years, right?
a french-friend of mine struggled registering a fury, reg.-date of 1978, but having a 17digit chassis-number starting with SABTVR....
the french authorities told him that according to the chassisnumber they cannot use the 1978 reg-date....
the 17digit numbers came into law 1981....and one of the digits (no. 10 or no. 11) should indicate the "real" age of the car. the
"real" built year of the car was 1996
so you dont need to pay attention on the reg-date, only -- also on the chassis-number in the v5c. not all sylva“s come with the original sylva-number
in the v5c. most, but not all.
[Edited on 20/2/16 by alfas]
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Kitcarjohn
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| posted on 20/2/16 at 02:10 PM |
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hi
I know all the intricate details of French reg. an sabtv is no good for cgc.you have no chance of registering a fury,but a striker with 86 or earlier
that doesn't have an sabtv is no problem
regards john
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alfas
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| posted on 20/2/16 at 03:36 PM |
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the striker was lanuched as a prototype in 1985....in reality the striker started in 1986...but it will hard to find such one.(to be honest in my 7
years into sylva“s i“ve never came across an early one....earliest chassis-number i came across (on a mates car)was from 1987...but that car was not
registered before 1989......as said above...most are in the 90ies 1990, 1991 up to 1995.
also cars with donor-year (e.g. 1978) might have an SABTVR....number.
means, checking the basic details on DVLA“s homepage using the registration-number will not show all the details you need to know
most sellers are afraid / concerned sending a copy of the v5c to potential buyers or name the chassis-number to foreigners.
oh...i forgot....besides the SABTVR-thing its also existing SABLVLO..... which is another no-go in france.
not easy to find the right car i guess
[Edited on 20/2/16 by alfas]
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Kitcarjohn
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| posted on 20/2/16 at 05:53 PM |
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the sabtv number is a killer for carte grise collection. in the past,ive just asked the seller if the chassis number starts with sab,not an issue. the
v5 date of 86 means the car is classed as 30yrs old. the problem that your French friend would come across.Is that the ffve would cross reference to
the year the fury was made. An example is the robin hood,many have early 80s reg dates,but the ffve say that they only started making the 7 in 1989.
so we will register your 1983 robin hood for you,no problems. we will do this in 2019. so if your mate wants his fury registering in France its quite
possible,but only when the year of actual production(so to speak) came about. I don't know,but if the fury was launched in 1990 for example,it
would be thirty years from that date
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alfas
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| posted on 22/2/16 at 01:09 PM |
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but tell me one thing:
considering there is a striker which was built end 1985 and lets say 1st registered in ferbruary 1986
this car would be "really" 30years old now.
if this car would carry an SABTVR number, the french authorities would still say "no"?
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Kitcarjohn
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| posted on 22/2/16 at 01:24 PM |
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If the car first went on the road in 2010 for example,but the v5 stated 1986(donor) and was reg. as a striker. the ffve would check the internet. See
that the striker started in 1985.Then give it an attestation,so you could register cgc(carte grise collection).
I know it sounds stupid, but hey its France. they need 3 photos of the car,to prove its what it says is correct,and if all tallies your good. trying
to register a robin hood,or a locost etc etc using a Dutton logbook,is spotted straight away and refused.re sabtv,thats a strange one. the ffve refuse
to reg as they say the chassis must be 30yrs old. ive contacted the dvla asking when they introduced sabtv,but they were unable to tell me.Theres
mainly one guy at the ffve who does this type of car. If he thinks sabtv started in say 1990,he will not accept this chassis prefix till 2020.
France is a great place,if you can accept the fact that the local butty shop closes at lunchtime,because obviously the staff need to eat,youve cracked
it..
theres quite a few kit cars that are now ok for France, but many many that are not
john
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MattD
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| posted on 22/2/16 at 02:42 PM |
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And if its on a Q-plate - no chance ??
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alfas
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| posted on 22/2/16 at 02:54 PM |
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q-plate doesnt matter in france as far as i know
@john:
if the car is built and registered in 1986, but stating an sabtvr number...still no chance?
17digit chassisnumbers came into law in 1981...so i guess dvla might have issued such SAB numbers earlier than in the 90ies.
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alfas
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| posted on 22/2/16 at 06:05 PM |
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new info:
a mate of mine is owning a correctly registered 1985 syvla on a q-plate (so no donor reg), which has a SAB number.
this proves that the dvla used those numbers definately before 1990!!!
look here, lot no. 419: another SAB vin on a 1987 kitcar:
http://www.finecars.cc/en/editorial/article/news/cars-with-royal-and-tv-connections-in-the-spotlight-at-bonhams-harrogate-sale/index.html?no_cache=1&a
mp;tx_ttnews[backPid]=226&cHash=fa86536cc7
[Edited on 22/2/16 by alfas]
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Kitcarjohn
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| posted on 22/2/16 at 07:22 PM |
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At the moment,the ffve is not accepting sabtv as being 30 years old. Its a difficult one at the mo. If the man dealing with your application says
no,its a no. Ideally,definitive proof,ie a letter from dvla stating introduction of sabtv year would be advantageous.
once the ffve accept a year,then it would open the possibility of sabtv prefixs getting collection status. Q plate is not an issue
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alfas
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| posted on 23/2/16 at 02:19 PM |
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so i think you need to contat DVLA again...best to phone them first.....
i“m sure the right person will issue a letter about the existance of the SAB numbers before 1990
as said.. my mate is owning a sylva with SAB number, on a q-plate, with a reg-date of 1985..so a definate prove that those numbers existed already in
1985.
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