liam.mccaffrey
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| posted on 2/5/05 at 08:43 PM |
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converting to rwd
anyone had any experience converting a fwd car to rwd its only an idea but i have two crap cars that could be brought together to make a cool one and
my mig hand is twitching just thinking about it
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Marcus
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| posted on 2/5/05 at 08:59 PM |
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It gets done regularly in the rally world, there are quite a few Mk111 Escorts converted to RWD (Gartrac etc), Vauxhall Nova converted and called an
AVON, RWD Astras, 205s. I've had NO experience doing it myself, but have harboured a desire to convert my mechanically ageing Citroen ZX to mid
engine spec using an Alfa V6
Marcus
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turbo time
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| posted on 2/5/05 at 09:01 PM |
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I think this requires details...
I'm not sure if you mean taking the engine and rotating it 90* in the engine bay, then finding a RWD transmission to bolt to it, or taking the
engine out of the front and putting it in the back for a middy...
You said you have 2 cars though, if it were me I'd put one engine in front, and one in back, who doesn't like 4WD?  .
[Edited on 2/5/05 by turbo time]
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clbarclay
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| posted on 2/5/05 at 09:07 PM |
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Makeing a mini into a middy has been done several times. KB58 is currently making one.
They all seem to use a space frame chassis of some sort at the rear (or hole car) though.
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JoelP
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| posted on 2/5/05 at 09:15 PM |
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its techincally simple from the few things ive read on the web - just make a subframe to hold a diff and rear suspension/wheels, and pick the best
point to bolt or weld it to the car. Most FWD cars will need modifying to get a transmission tunnel in.
i intend to do it to my ax one day if the engine dies before i write it off 
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flak monkey
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| posted on 2/5/05 at 09:15 PM |
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The z-cars mini is like that. (My dad fell in love with that when he saw it...)
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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liam.mccaffrey
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| posted on 2/5/05 at 09:16 PM |
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details
i am building a middy locost with fwd drive engine and drivetrain
and for a different project
i have a nubira and a granada and i want to convert the nubira to front engined rwd using the engine and running gear from the granada , it'll
be a laugh at least and i seriously need to get rid of both cars soon
[Edited on 2/5/05 by liam.mccaffrey]
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JoelP
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| posted on 2/5/05 at 09:19 PM |
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as a small aside, i intend to make a raised sierra sometime soon, sitting on a 12 inch subframe  similar sort of fun 
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nick205
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| posted on 2/5/05 at 09:24 PM |
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sounds like a lot of effort to me for not much motor at the end of it - IMHO
I've always fancied merging a 205 GTi with a 405 Mi16 4x4. I think that would make a cracking lightweight 4WD track/rally car - I suppose like
the 205 T16
Did you know i like 205's a lot
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liam.mccaffrey
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| posted on 2/5/05 at 09:42 PM |
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i'm not doing this cus i'll have an awesome car at the end, the middy fill that role.
i can't give the nubira or the grandad away even with a dowry and i thought it would be fun to build a touring car type stripped out street
sleeper
along the lines of what nick said way down the project list is a mk1 fiesta with 4wd
[Edited on 2/5/05 by liam.mccaffrey]
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owelly
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| posted on 2/5/05 at 10:21 PM |
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I had a similar dilemma with a rotton Diahatsu jeep with a good chassis and an MG Metro with a rotton floor but good top.
The 'Baby Bigfoot' was born, driven around and then sold
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dave dickson
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| posted on 3/5/05 at 06:56 PM |
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have a peek at this...
the guy posted on another forum I use. I dunno how far it has progressed since these were taken.
Also, this looks like fun...
it looks quite simple from the pics, but I would bet it was quite tricky in real life.
Other people on the forum have rear-engine Novas by chopping the front (subframe, inner wings etc off 1 car and grafting it into the rear of another
shell which has had the boot floor and rear suspension cut out. The only things left are linking up a gear-linkage from a frankenstein cable-shift car
and running longer throttle/clutch cables etc.
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liam.mccaffrey
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| posted on 3/5/05 at 08:14 PM |
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another thing i've seen is where the complete floor pan is cut out and replaced with the floor pan from the donor vehicle. this sounded
promising to me as my cars aren't too far off for size
the more pics i see the more i wanna do it
[Edited on 3/5/05 by liam.mccaffrey]
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Rorty
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| posted on 4/5/05 at 05:02 AM |
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I remember seeing adds in CCC (when it was a respectable magazine) from several companies who offered complete kits to RWD late Escort and Fiesta
shells. Does the tuning outfit E.A.R.S. still exist? I think they may have been one of the suppliers. Maybe they have RWD kits for other models too.
Cheers, Rorty.
"Faster than a speeding Pullet".
PLEASE DON'T U2U ME IF YOU WANT A QUICK RESPONSE. TRY EMAILING ME INSTEAD!
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NS Dev
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| posted on 4/5/05 at 01:14 PM |
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You mean a RWD a bit like this below, my old Pug 205 rwd vauxhall 16v rally car. Built in 1998-1999 as I was finishing college.
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NS Dev
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| posted on 4/5/05 at 01:17 PM |
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PS I'll try and dig out some more pics of it. It was sold as a semi-rolling shell a year ago (ish) to fund the locost project and autograss
racing progress!
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liam.mccaffrey
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| posted on 4/5/05 at 01:38 PM |
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thats the kind of thing i was thinking dev,
what mod to the floor pan did you do?
IRS at the back, how did you mount the diff, i'm sure you can guess all the questions i will ask
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NS Dev
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| posted on 6/5/05 at 11:06 AM |
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Right, sorry for the delay, been a bit busy!!
The back of the car is not IRS, it has an Atlas axle. This was used for two reasons, strength and availability of decent ratios and a cheapish plate
type lsd, none of which are easy to sort for a Sierra diff, certainly not for the £200 that I paid for the axle (from a Capri 280 Brooklands)
Re. the floorpan, the way I did it on this one is not the way I would do the job again (or indeed have done it again!)
On the pug, I tacked in some pieces of bracing and then jigsawed out the floor after spray-mounting on paper templates of what needed cutting out. I
ended up cutting out the centre 18" of the bulkhead from the bottom of the chamber where the wiper motor sits to the seam near the front
subframe mounts, then sliced out the floor where the tunnel went.
At the back I removed the pug fuel tank from under the rear seat squab area, and fabricated a reinforcing box section from the seam by the fuel tank
back and up to the squab area, with a "bridge" in the middle on top of the floor to clear to propshaft. (you can just see this in the
photo) I then cut out and press formed the turrets for the rear coilover dampers and welded these in and nade the boxes to cover the rear 4 link
setup. After all this there was very little pug floor left, especially after adding the vertical sparewheeel well.
Basically the way to do the job is to put the cage in first, mounting it to the inner sills at the a and b pillars and to the turrets at the back,
then chop out the entire floor and start again. This is actually a LOT easier!!
Here is a car belonging to a chap from the Manta owners club that I know of who is building a spaceframed manta (with an alloy block ls1 v8 in it,
will be AWESOME when it's finished, I just love manta coupes!!!!)
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NS Dev
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| posted on 6/5/05 at 11:13 AM |
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and another approach, this is another lovely car, look at the bottom pic for a taster!!
[Edited on 6/5/05 by NS Dev]
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