Arthur T
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 posted on 25/4/06 at 06:04 PM |
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so i want to build a Rs turbo Kit car!!!!!
has any one built one?
has any one got any pictures?
any advice?
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owelly
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| posted on 25/4/06 at 06:07 PM |
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What flavour kit?
Seveny type?
Scratch built?
Mid/rear/fronty mounted?
Covin do a RST 911 replica IIRC.
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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andyharding
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| posted on 25/4/06 at 06:11 PM |
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Have a look at this:-
http://locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=33822
Are you a Mac user or a retard?
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BKLOCO
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| posted on 25/4/06 at 06:17 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Arthur T
has any one built one?
has any one got any pictures?
any advice?
One question.
WHY?
Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want!!! 
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Arthur T
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| posted on 25/4/06 at 06:27 PM |
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yes i am going for a super 7 style with a Escort Turbo engine. my mate it rebuilding his rs Turbo so has a spare bottom end & he bought a new head
with cams dirty cheap from ebay. i want to go zetec lump but old ford parts are SO cheap it seems logical.
i am always looking at built BADLY kits on ebay & was thinking of doing a "make over" as this would be more cost effective & no
SVA WINNER !!!
Escort Rs turbo's can squeese out 200bhp quite cheaply so i was thinking that will make a good race & road car....... (think i am giving to
much away here EVERY 1 will be making one now!!!) DAM
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Simon
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| posted on 25/4/06 at 06:47 PM |
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I'm hoping to add a pair of turbos to this along with fuel injection.
The more I look at it, the more I think it's a stupid idea. Loads of plumbing - oil/water a pair of intercoolers, and new exhausts
Still, it will be done
ATB
Simon
 
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stevec
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| posted on 25/4/06 at 07:35 PM |
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I will go with BKLOCO and say why?
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froggy
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| posted on 25/4/06 at 08:27 PM |
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rs turbos make at least 250hp in every mag ive seen them in
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Arthur T
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| posted on 25/4/06 at 08:31 PM |
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Why..................
because:
-it fits in nice
- its a standard lump which i can then tuned simply
- its fast
-its low cost
- parts are readly available
and it goes WWWWwwwwwhhhhh
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Liam
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| posted on 25/4/06 at 08:39 PM |
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Why?
Why not!! Everyone knows snails are the way to happiness!! I'm having two! Dont know owt about these engines, but I assume it'll mate
to a RWD box the same as a non turbo. Just a bit more plumbing to do that's all. Oh and a dump valve to fit so it goes WWWWwwwwwhhhhh -
pchshhh
Good luck,
Liam
[Edited on 25/4/06 by Liam]
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Arthur T
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| posted on 25/4/06 at 08:47 PM |
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fitting the engine
i went to the DAX open day the weekend before last and there were some very impressive cars...one being a Fiesta Rs turbo (i have added a pic) the
cooling was achieved by splitting the air 50/50
50%-RAD
50%-Intercooler
i thought this would work quite nice + if i added a dual copper core rad with two fans........what do people think?
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BKLOCO
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| posted on 25/4/06 at 09:13 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Arthur T
because:
-it fits in nice
- its a standard lump which i can then tuned simply
- its fast
-its low cost
- parts are readly available
and it goes WWWWwwwwwhhhhh
I think you may be missing the point.
Do you want to attempt it because you want a challenget that is out of the ordinary to what most people do?
Are you doing it because you think this is the easiest way to get a fast vehicle?
If you have experience in building/modifying vehicles then a project of this type could make an interesting build. and I wish you luck with it.
If you are doing it because you want a fast 7 style car then I would suggest that there are better/easier/more sofisticated engine options.
In your original post you mentioned racing.
I think you should do considerably more research before installing a turbo in a seven as I don't think there any classes that run this spec.
Regards
Brian
[Edited on 25-4-06 by BKLOCO]
Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want!!!
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jon_boy
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| posted on 25/4/06 at 09:15 PM |
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I think the turbo engines are a great idea (im using a 1.8 turbo CA18DET from a 200sx) as they are cheap and can easily be tuned to point where they
more than make up for the heavier weight. And you get that lovely tish as you change gear. If your going RS turbo i would seriously consider getting a
zetec and making ZVH with all the parts though. Jon
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NS Dev
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| posted on 25/4/06 at 09:19 PM |
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go for a ride in a 7 with a turbo engine first.
I went in an RS turbo powered westfield a while back and it was, to put it politely....not very nice.
each to their own
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retro car restoration and tuning
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jon_boy
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| posted on 25/4/06 at 09:24 PM |
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Is it a bit "lairy"? Im sticking with my small turbo so no lag to suddenly kick in and ruin my pants. To be fair im only ever going to do
a few track days myself and just want a car that can go fast. And now ive made it look pretty and rebuilt it so there is no going back...
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BKLOCO
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| posted on 25/4/06 at 09:28 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by NS Dev
go for a ride in a 7 with a turbo engine first.
I went in an RS turbo powered westfield a while back and it was, to put it politely....not very nice.
each to their own
I'm with you on this one.
Can see very little point in this option.
If you want a "missile" then go the BEC route.
If you wnt a fast driveable car stick with proven power plants. IMHO of course
But as you say each to there own.
Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want!!!
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NS Dev
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| posted on 25/4/06 at 09:32 PM |
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As I say each to their own, I certainly didn't find it lairy, just a pain in the arse with the on-off power delivery and lack of throttle
response.
Really not my cup of tea, but most on here will know my dislike of turbos!
They are great for, (thinking back to my past experience!) around a month of hooning around, then they just become frustrating.
A lot better if the turbos are bolted to a decent size engine to start with and the car has 4wd, this overcomes the lack of low down torque and the
lack of traction on boost to a large extent.
(see liam's build)
Not really very colin chapman though!
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retro car restoration and tuning
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froggy
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| posted on 25/4/06 at 09:39 PM |
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i remember years back a survey of lots of top drivers and without exeption given the choice n/a was first choice every time
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Liam
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| posted on 25/4/06 at 09:50 PM |
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Yeah but everyone knows racing drivers are fairies!!
I like the fact with turbo cars that you can drive sedately and reasonably economically off boost, and have the on-boost performance when you want
it!
In my experience the kick of a sensible pressure turbo is no more dangerous or unpredictable than, say, a bike engine coming on cam. The key is
simply not to be silly enough to come on boost whilst exiting a roundabout in the wet and fall under a lorry!
LIam
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NS Dev
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| posted on 25/4/06 at 09:55 PM |
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it wasn't the danger I was getting at though, it was the very characteristic you mentioned!
It seems nice for a month of driving, then gets annoying as you have to drive around it all the time!
I'll place a bet right now that after a month on the road you will agree with what I said above!
I hope to be proven wrong but lets see!
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Arthur T
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| posted on 25/4/06 at 10:06 PM |
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i Love turbo's soon they will Rule the world........u Wait
Q- (I think you may be missing the point.
Do you want to attempt it because you want a challenget that is out of the ordinary to what most people do?)
A- i love a challange...
there in no point spending many many hrs in my garage building a slow kit car that gets beaten by Every thing on the road... the Super 7 was
called a Super 7 because it was Super! but now that same Super 7 can be beaten by a pug 206 so i am just pushing the Super 7 into the next level
Q (Are you doing it because you think this is the easiest way to get a fast vehicle?)
A- Nope but YES FAST.........i do not know enought about bike engines. to coment but... i do not belive it that engine would be suitable as i do not
belive it would be strong enought due to bike engines working on power to weight ratio.....you increase the weight you put large stresses on the
engine!!
Q- (If you have experience in building/modifying vehicles then a project of this type could make an interesting build. and I wish you luck with
it.)
A- i like playing with cars & thank you
Q- (In your original post you mentioned racing.
I think you should do considerably more research before installing a turbo in a seven as I don't think there any classes that run this spec.)
A- good point!!! but i am sure there are ways around this..can only try
P.S i like this web site...its interesting seeing every bodies veiws even the turbo haters....he he
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Liam
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| posted on 25/4/06 at 10:08 PM |
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We'll see
I reckon if you want to drive fast you should just keep it all singing. Should just be a matter of skill to work the box and avoid bogging down
majorly off boost?? I'm not really expecting much lag with a lightly twin turbo'd v6 - in the light car should hopefully just feel like a
strong engine. Will be interesting to see anyway - it'll be NA with around 200bhp initially while i get comfy with the megasquirt.
Liam
[Edited on 25/4/06 by Liam]
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Liam
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| posted on 25/4/06 at 10:15 PM |
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quote:
A- Nope but YES FAST.........i do not know enought about bike engines. to coment but... i do not belive it that engine would be suitable as i
do not belive it would be strong enought due to bike engines working on power to weight ratio.....you increase the weight you put large stresses on
the engine!!
There aren't any reports of major mileages in BECs that I know of, but boy do they work!! You'll have to go some to be beating a BEC with
an RS turbo engined car!
Liam
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muzchap
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| posted on 25/4/06 at 10:17 PM |
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Er - show me a Pug 206 that'll beat my Seven round a track!!!
My STANDARD Zetec should push out 170-178hp at flywheel with bike TB's and will murder a standard 206!
Ideally you needed a luego velocity kit - as the bonnet was much higher, allowing for the extra pipework, turbo
If it was me - I'd go ZETEC bottom end, with a Turbo head - fkin bullet proof then!
Remember - Sevens aren't built for STRAIGHTLINE speed - any muppet can go fast in a straight line - the beauty of a SEVEN is when those other
cars are lifting/braking for the corner - you're nailing it - past them!
Porsche's are my favourite target - lardy German cars
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Arthur T
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| posted on 25/4/06 at 10:32 PM |
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why is a bike engine called (BEC)
i know i bike engine would be faster but not my cup of T..
i would love to go Zetec bottom end as i said at the begining my friend is rebuilding his rs Turbo & he is going that way but it costs. i think
that will be a later project...but the idea is there...
i also do not mean a silly 206 gti is going to beat a 2ltr zetec kit car. but a classic Super 7 had a 1.6 single cam engine with little torque also
its 30 years old. this technology has been superseeded.
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