Scottish Independance
jeffw - 9/12/11 at 11:13 AM
Given that Mr Salmon is still in power is it not time for Scotland to be an independant country?
The advantages to England are
Reduced Taxation (Scotland receives more per capita than England from the Treasury)
No more Labour Governments in Westminster. Historically it is Scottish MPs who hold the balance of power in Westminster and these are normally Labour
MPs. It also means that there will be English & Welsh MPs only voting on English & Welsh affairs (not currently the case as Scotland has a
different legal system and Scottish MPs vote on English issues).
No need to bail out RBS next time 
The advantages to Scotland
Independance
Adopt the Euro
Align themselves with the Scandanavian Countries
Discuss 
SeaBass - 9/12/11 at 11:16 AM
Where were you last time this was discussed as started by Scootz.
Oh and it's Salmond BTW.
mookaloid - 9/12/11 at 11:32 AM
Should we build a Hadrian type wall and have border controls?
mcerd1 - 9/12/11 at 11:44 AM
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Originally posted by mookaloid
Should we build a Hadrian type wall and have border controls?
maybe we shound save some money (times are hard afterall) and just re-build hadrians wall itself 
mookaloid - 9/12/11 at 11:49 AM
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Originally posted by mcerd1
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Originally posted by mookaloid
Should we build a Hadrian type wall and have border controls?
maybe we shound save some money (times are hard afterall) and just re-build hadrians wall itself
Land grabber ......
iank - 9/12/11 at 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by mookaloid
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Originally posted by mcerd1
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Originally posted by mookaloid
Should we build a Hadrian type wall and have border controls?
maybe we shound save some money (times are hard afterall) and just re-build hadrians wall itself
Land grabber ......
Well the advantage of that is Berwick gets sorted out once and for all.
foskid - 9/12/11 at 12:12 PM
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Originally posted by mookaloid
Should we build a Hadrian type wall and have border controls?
Are you suggesting that the only place that Engerlund has border controls is the Scottish border
[Edited on 9/12/11 by foskid]
Big Stu - 9/12/11 at 12:41 PM
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Reduced Taxation (Scotland receives more per capita than England from the Treasury)
Doubt it unless you want independence and still want all the revenue from Scottish Oil and Gas. (2008 was 12.8 Billion)
Personally I think independence would be a terrible decision for both countries. Maybe 30 years ago but not now.
Stuart
dave - 9/12/11 at 12:45 PM
Dont let the Scottish Govt build the wall, the cost will bankrupt the country.
jeffw - 9/12/11 at 12:54 PM
lol
I have a foot in both countries, as it where, my mum came from Creiff (a MacDonald!) and Dad comes from Cornwall.
Does this mean I will need two passports?
jeffw - 9/12/11 at 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by Big Stu
quote:
Reduced Taxation (Scotland receives more per capita than England from the Treasury)
Doubt it unless you want independence and still want all the revenue from Scottish Oil and Gas. (2008 was 12.8 Billion)
Personally I think independence would be a terrible decision for both countries. Maybe 30 years ago but not now.
Stuart
That was then....we English have sucked all the revenue out of the North Sea, time to cast the Jocks adrift...
mcerd1 - 9/12/11 at 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by jeffw
lol
I have a foot in both countries, as it where, my mum came from Creiff (a MacDonald!) and Dad comes from Cornwall.
Does this mean I will need two passports?
I didn't think Cornwall was english either
someone round here has one of these bumper stickers:
" Cornish by birth, brittish by accident - but english Never!! "
jeffw - 9/12/11 at 01:19 PM
lol....three passports then
RK - 9/12/11 at 01:51 PM
I think you should wait til the oil completely runs out. That way, when things get REALLY bad (and they will), Canada can get all the good immigrants
again, like my relatives.
Phil.J - 9/12/11 at 01:53 PM
If it happened Scotland would have to take on it's proportion of the national debt which would leave it fooked.
jeffw - 9/12/11 at 02:02 PM
Good plan....we could let them have RBS's debt as well.
Ninehigh - 9/12/11 at 02:10 PM
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Originally posted by RK
I think you should wait til the oil completely runs out. That way, when things get REALLY bad (and they will), Canada can get all the good immigrants
again, like my relatives.
Seriously looking into becoming a heating engineer now just so the Visa I was offered is actually valid.
Thus as far as I'm concerned they can do whatever, the way I see it is there's only 2 ways out of this ****:
1. Vote me in
2. Leave
Dangle_kt - 9/12/11 at 02:19 PM
Scotland is going to be pretty rich in resources going forward. If hydro power comes off (and its looking more and more likley) and they scrap the
ridiculous generator to grid surcharge anyone north of London has to pay, then scotland will have more than enough windy/wave driven coast lines to
power themselves and export plenty too, whilst still not ruining the views.
blakep82 - 9/12/11 at 02:32 PM
as a politician, salmond (i prefer salmon right enough...) is making a lot of promises i don't think he can keep. he wants away from england, and
thats it, and he'll tell everyone what they want to hear to get it. if it happens, scotland fucked, and so will england be too i imagine.
UK all the way for me!
as soctland goes, there's two main groups.
protestants, and catholics.
catholics generally want independance, protestands generally want to stay in the uk. which is the bigger group? thats what it'll come down
to...
on a similar note, if the independance thing goes ahead, i reckon he'll try to worm his way into some sort of ireland arrangement...
[Edited on 9/12/11 by blakep82]
scootz - 9/12/11 at 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by blakep82
As Scotland goes, there's two main groups.
protestants and catholics.
Catholics generally want independance, protestants generally want to stay in the UK. Which is the bigger group? Thats what it'll come down
to...
You're not being serious... are you!?
jeffw - 9/12/11 at 02:57 PM
Maybe some confusion regarding Northen Ireland?
britishtrident - 9/12/11 at 04:29 PM
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Originally posted by scootz
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Originally posted by blakep82
As Scotland goes, there's two main groups.
protestants and catholics.
Catholics generally want independance, protestants generally want to stay in the UK. Which is the bigger group? Thats what it'll come down
to...
You're not being serious... are you!?
Yeah what aboot the "wee frees"
blakep82 - 9/12/11 at 04:29 PM
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Originally posted by scootz
quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
As Scotland goes, there's two main groups.
protestants and catholics.
Catholics generally want independance, protestants generally want to stay in the UK. Which is the bigger group? Thats what it'll come down
to...
You're not being serious... are you!?
nah, just wondered what sort of reaction it would get 
(there wasn't as much as i expected lol))
although, from people i have spoken to about it, there is maybe a bit of truth in it, as in there are distrinct groups who voted snp, and the others
who say salmond can f*** off...
[Edited on 9/12/11 by blakep82]
britishtrident - 9/12/11 at 04:34 PM
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Originally posted by jeffw
Maybe some confusion regarding Northen Ireland?
Easy to tell: The difference is that in N.I. they are actually seriously suggesting that they unify the schools, try suggesting that in the
(former) industrial parts of Scotalnd you will suffer the wrath of the Roman Catholic Church and the Scottish Labour Party.
myke pocock - 9/12/11 at 07:25 PM
In these times of hardship when is someone in the Government going to have the balls to level out the funding per head across the whole of the UK (and
that includes NI) Secondly the Scots do have hydro electric and have had it for many years now. I dont know why it has not caught on more South of the
Border. AND until scotland IS independent then the oil belongs to everyone. Ime sick and tired of them saying its there's. Significantly they
never bleat on about receiving more revenue per head of population now do they???
mookaloid - 9/12/11 at 08:47 PM
FREEDOM FOR YORKSHIRE!!!!!!
T66 - 9/12/11 at 09:01 PM
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Originally posted by mcerd1
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Originally posted by mookaloid
Should we build a Hadrian type wall and have border controls?
maybe we shound save some money (times are hard afterall) and just re-build hadrians wall itself
Would keep me busy on nightshifts - patrol flying the border wall......err no thanks.
Given the isolation of Cameron & related suits, maybe the likes of England, Scotland & wales should form a union ???
And boolox with Europe ?
mcerd1 - 9/12/11 at 09:05 PM
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Originally posted by myke pocock
Secondly the Scots do have hydro electric and have had it for many years now. I dont know why it has not caught on more South of the
Border.
there are loads and loads of them - but not all beaing used 
mostly build in the 50's / 60's including the 'worlds first high head reversible' one under Ben Cruachan
- but since its in the highlands its a tourist atraction aswell as a powerstation
[Edited on 9/12/2011 by mcerd1]
RK - 9/12/11 at 11:47 PM
I'm glad people here have a good sense of humour. Where I live, it has gotten fairly ugly from time to time. Fortunately, it's on the wane
lately, but the cancer can strike at any time. At least until i retire and sell my house, i'm dead against it for QC, but after, who cares?
Somebody will find a way to screw the average person, no matter which way it goes for the Scots.
A1 - 9/1/12 at 09:58 PM
how is following the euro an advantage to us?!