owelly
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| posted on 31/10/10 at 10:45 PM |
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Pug V6 donor?
As my plastic car has now popped three Alfa V6 engines, I've looked into the other motors available.
I asked you guys for suggestions and got a few good pointers. The Ford V6 Duratec seemed to be a good choice but it seems that most are the 170bhp
versions and I'm aiming for 200. The Vauxhall Omega V6 would be ideal as the 3ltr comes in at 210bhp but finding a manual that is on budget is
proving tricky. The 2.5ltr is 185bhp but more readily available in a manual and at the right price. But then I stumbled upon the V6 Laguna engine. All
alloy and seems to be compact. But the same engine in the Pug 406 Coupe has 210bhp.
I've found an engine for the right price and I'm collecting it on Wednesday. I have no idea if it will fit in the car, or how I'm
going to make it spin the rear wheels. The PRV V6 engine as fitted to older Puegeots, Renaults and Volvos (hence the name) isn't the same so
using an old Volvo box seems unlikely. Unles you folks know different??
So, it looks like I'll be making a bellhousing to clag it to the type 9.
Has anyone had any experience with the Peugeot ES9 J4S engine?
TIA, Owelly.
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PSpirine
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| posted on 31/10/10 at 10:48 PM |
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I only know that the XUD diesels work with an LDV box... Doubt that they ever used the V6 petrols though.
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Volvorsport
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| posted on 31/10/10 at 10:52 PM |
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its the narrow angle 60 degree v6.
its used in the v6 clio ?
thats all i know......
i have to ask why you keep popping alfa engines ?
whats wrong with a 4 or 5 cylinder with similar hp ?
www.dbsmotorsport.co.uk
getting dirty under a bus
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hillbillyracer
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| posted on 31/10/10 at 10:53 PM |
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I know stuff all about RWD gearbox options for a Pug V6, but does this mean I should have a set of wheels handy mid-week?
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owelly
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| posted on 31/10/10 at 11:07 PM |
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Possibly Kev but I'm hoping to collect the V6 from Derbyshire after collecting some bits from Humberside, then a motory bike from Skipton. If we
have time we'll dash up the west wrong side of the hills to see you. If not, could you get a price for a courier? Interparcel seem OK.
I'll obviously pay the p and p and may even give you a shortened sump for the Alfa engine.....
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hillbillyracer
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| posted on 31/10/10 at 11:11 PM |
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So it's not the same one you were looking at over here? No rush on the wheels, they can sit till you're heading this way or something else
works out.
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owelly
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| posted on 31/10/10 at 11:17 PM |
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Nah. The one over near you went for too much and I don't really want to have another car sat outside the house.
Volvorsport, I want to use a v6 so it is short enough to fit behind the front cross member so I can shut the bonnet. Hence the desire for short, fat
engines...
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RazMan
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| posted on 1/11/10 at 10:52 AM |
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Probably a bit late for you but this thread would give you a 60 degree V6 which
is probably a bit smaller than the Pug version.
Incidentally, the Duratec V6 is easily tweaked with just a re-map to give you 200bhp. The main restriction is simply breathing difficulties which are
easily sorted out with a decent exhaust and intake. For a few hundred quid extra you could even put on my ITB conversion (nearly finished now) to give
more like 230bhp 
[Edited on 1-11-10 by RazMan]
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
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ettore bugatti
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| posted on 1/11/10 at 02:58 PM |
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These are lovely engines: Very silky, powerfull and economical.
It was so much fun blowing boyracers away in a 406 saloon v6 automatic (which looked from the outside as an ordinary HDI)
They do blow occasional one of the COP's resulting in running 5pots. So ensure to buy the best quality coil-on-plugs avaible. I assume you will
run it with custom ECU and headers?
In that case you probably get 230-250bhp.
I believed Venturi used these engines as well in their MVS and using a UN1 transaxle probably.
In the Clio v6 it is also transversely installed.
I would just hack an adaptor plate for your current transmission.
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owelly
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| posted on 1/11/10 at 03:44 PM |
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Cheers guys.
I've seen a few Mondy engines and some fairly close to the beautiful North but I have no budget to tune one to get the 200bhp. The Pug V6 has
210 as standard. There's a guy who recons he's found 250bhp with a parts bin rummage using a different plenum, chimneys and the ECU off a
V6 Laguna. I have yet to be convinced so for now I'll concentrate on getting the engine bolted to the type 9, then try to get the original ECU
to make the engine run. Then I'll get bored and do something else....
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ettore bugatti
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| posted on 1/11/10 at 09:04 PM |
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230-250bhp was also the output from the Clio V6 (phase 1 230 and P2 255)
And I believed the French secret service had the same chip in their 406s.
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owelly
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| posted on 1/11/10 at 09:46 PM |
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ooooooo! Excellent news. I'll be trying to find the info to make that happen. Like I need more power!
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iank
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| posted on 1/11/10 at 10:36 PM |
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So have you secured a supply of halfshafts, as iirc they were going pop at a faster rate than the engines 
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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owelly
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| posted on 2/11/10 at 04:23 PM |
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I've made a de-dion with an XR4x4 diff. That should stop things from breaking.
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owelly
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| posted on 4/11/10 at 12:13 PM |
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My tinterwebbing revealed that the ES engines came in 194 and 210bhp versions. The 210 had VVC but uses a complex, multiplex, can-bus system for
everything and the only way to get it running the stock ECU is to use the whole wiring loom, dash set, immobiliser, key transponder etc. My life
won't last long enough to feck about with all those wires.
However, the non-vvc ES which has 194bhp has normal blokes wires. And with a de-cat, free flow chimney and a panel filter, makes 212-220bhp. To this
end.......
There's no going back now!!
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owelly
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| posted on 9/11/10 at 12:01 AM |
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So, after a few nightshifts, a swarf pile as big as a big bear, a few swarf burns, a few swarf cuts and a totally ruined fleec, cause by being melted
by swarf, I have......<<drum roll>>
V6 gearbox.
V6 gearbox pulled to bits to get the bellhousing end.
Making swarf.
More swarf.
Offset swarf making.
Bibbles to transfer the holes to a template.
And the 'finished'adaptor plate. Just needs ffive more holes once I have the gearbox levelled to the engine.
And this computer sketch, drawn by a five year old, may help to explian what I've been trying to acheive..
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 24/11/10 at 01:11 AM |
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Did you weigh the engine/box? Could you? I didn't find this post before posting my own in the middy section!
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 24/11/10 at 10:05 PM |
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OK, I've found out. Engine and box weigh in at 350kg 
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zilspeed
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| posted on 5/12/10 at 10:52 AM |
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I read this thread because I know Owelly's always good for a laugh and some shed engineering.
Glad I did.
The vexing question of how to accurately mark bellhousing positions has always made my head hurt.
That's a nifty little technique which I shall now remember.
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The Black Flash
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| posted on 26/1/11 at 12:44 PM |
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Those sharpened bolt heads are a great idea 
Nice work Mr. O.
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owelly
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| posted on 10/2/11 at 09:00 PM |
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Cheers guys.
Just to ressurect this thread a wee bit......
The guy I bought the engine off told me the combined weight of the engine, box and ancilliaries was 350kg. That seemed a bit high and once the gearbox
is off, I can lift the engine, albeit with a bit of a grunt, off the deck. It's still wearing all the ancilliaries apart from the air con
compressor. I'm thinking it's close to 200kg.
I've started to pick my way through the engine loom and dispite having several variations of the same loom, I think I've worked out which
pins to energise on the ECU to make things happen. I'm hoping those things don't involve smoke and burnt wires.
I've also managed to build a pedalbox to take the Pug 406 clutch master cylinder which comes as a sealed unit fastened to the slave cylinder.
I've had a bespoke friction plate made (for a whole £25!!) which is the Pug v6 outer, with a Ford 23x1" centre and so far, the whole
clutchy assembly seems to be working.
Here's my pedal box.
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RichardK
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| posted on 10/2/11 at 09:13 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by zilspeed
I read this thread because I know Owelly's always good for a laugh and some shed engineering.
I know, I remember p1ssing myself when he bought a "small" speedboat.
Still makes me chuckle now....
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owelly
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| posted on 10/2/11 at 09:23 PM |
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Ah, yes. The speed boat....
You should have seen the turbo I bought......
I stripped it to check it over but I guess it's a bit big for thr Pug V6......
And yes, that's a 5 litre oil can.
[Edited on 10/2/11 by owelly]
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owelly
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| posted on 10/2/11 at 09:29 PM |
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Here's the bellhousing effort showing the sealed hydraulic clutch gubbins and the pedalbox.
And here's my 'ready in under ten minutes hybrid clutch plate'..
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RichardK
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| posted on 10/2/11 at 09:36 PM |
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Looking good mate with the clutch, not long before the start up vid then?
Just out of interest how big did you think the turbo was!!!
Cheers
R
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