johnston
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 posted on 30/8/02 at 05:04 PM |
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abs??
For all the guys who have completed their cars do u ever have the fronts lock under braking
and do you think abs would help any on the greasy b roads
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johnston
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| posted on 30/8/02 at 05:31 PM |
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do you think it would be worth the hassle????
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interestedparty
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| posted on 30/8/02 at 07:51 PM |
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Ought to be possible using Granada bits instead of Sierra bits, all MK3 and on Granadas have ABS. Well tricky though and lots of bits to find room
for.
John
As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
I've got a little list-- I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed-- who never would be missed!
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rogercollier
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| posted on 30/8/02 at 08:01 PM |
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ABS helps sell cars to idiots.
Given that you have asked the question,
you have shown that you no longer need it.
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chrisg
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| posted on 30/8/02 at 08:36 PM |
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Also,
Do you know that Ford etc, spend millions matching vehicle weight to abs sensors?
It won't work
Cheers
Chris
Note to all: I really don't know when to leave well alone. I tried to get clever with the mods, then when they gave me a lifeline to see the
error of my ways, I tried to incite more trouble via u2u. So now I'm banned, never to return again. They should have done it years ago!
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locodude
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| posted on 30/8/02 at 08:40 PM |
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Learn the art of cadence braking. Then get fed up and order some sticky Yoko's from George Polley to arrive next wed. Spooky, that's just what I've
done.
Chris PTM 
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johnston
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| posted on 30/8/02 at 08:55 PM |
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im used to left footin in the front wheel drivers but just had the thought that the cars is very light at the front
one of those silly ideas u get when u have a very borin job!!!!!!
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 1/9/02 at 07:45 PM |
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quote:
ABS helps sell cars to idiots.
Given that you have asked the question,
you have shown that you no longer need it.
I can give you two examples that you are wrong.
My 318 has abs. Its probably saved a pedestrians life.
A few months ago, on a country road, 4 people were walking along the road. A woman looked at me, then just crossed the road with me doing 60 right at
her, yards away. I braked hard, and steered to the centre of the road to miss her. She moved to the centre too! The end result was as I had abs i
stopped without skidding and maintained control. I was about a foor from her. I severly doubt I could have slammed the brakes on and not hit her
without abs.
A few weeks before someone pulled out on me at a junction. Again at 60, again a controlled skid free stop.
I would trade any option on a car for abs.
And yes, my car IS going to have ABS using granada bits.
If anyone wants to see how i fitted the bulky master cylinder, i have pics.
atb
steve
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 1/9/02 at 07:49 PM |
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quote:
Also,
Do you know that Ford etc, spend millions matching vehicle weight to abs sensors?
It won't work
Cheers
Chris
i have been throug this argument before on tol.
stability control WILL need a lot of matching andin intelligence on the car as it needs to more finely match the braking to prevent sideways skids
etc.
the granada abs is really simple. although both back wheels have sensors, the back is a single circuit! Also, there is no way that the system knows
vehicle loading.
So, if you have a 1350 kilo car one up, or a car full of kids on a caravanning trip, with a caravan on the back, there is no way for the system to
know. There are no load sensors.
The system basically looks for a locked wheel and pulses the hydraulics to suit. I recon on a simple abs system, a locked wheel is a locked wheel and
the brake is released until the wheel turns again.
not so for stability control.
there is a difference.
atb
steve
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paulf
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| posted on 1/9/02 at 08:26 PM |
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Did not ford develop a cheap type of Mechanical ABS system to fit to escorts and fiestas?. I seem to vagely remember reading something about a purely
mechanical system using some type of centrifugal clutch system.
Paul.
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chrisg
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| posted on 1/9/02 at 08:50 PM |
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*shakes head in a resigned sort of a way*
you really think that a Locost needs ABS?
Fine,I give up
Cheers
Chris 
Note to all: I really don't know when to leave well alone. I tried to get clever with the mods, then when they gave me a lifeline to see the
error of my ways, I tried to incite more trouble via u2u. So now I'm banned, never to return again. They should have done it years ago!
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johnston
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| posted on 1/9/02 at 09:51 PM |
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the old mk3 escorts had a type tha run off belts from the inner cv joints or somethin
was talkin to a fella once who was in a series 1 rs turbo when the driver had a bit of a "moment" ie shat himself turned out one of the belts broke
under brakin
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 1/9/02 at 10:05 PM |
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quote:
*shakes head in a resigned sort of a way*
you really think that a Locost needs ABS?
Fine,I give up
Cheers
Chris
There are two ways of answering this question.
1. My car isnt a locost in the true spirit. Its probably more of a roadster like a Marlin. Its also fairly heavy due to the cologne engine and other
beefed up bits.
2. I would think that the best form of protection in a car as small, and potentially flimsy (remember, there are just 6 lengths of 1 inch rhs and a
19mm diagonal each side between you and whatever might hit the front of your car) construction, wopuld be not to hit anything at all.
So, when your low to the ground car gets the motorcyclist treatment "i didnt see you" then a faster way of stopping might be useful.
I do however understand the idea that a true locost is a minimal weight stripped down missile for the road, so who needs the weight of safety
devices.
Id like to live longer than 43 thou....
atb
steve
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 1/9/02 at 10:08 PM |
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quote:
Did not ford develop a cheap type of Mechanical ABS system to fit to escorts and fiestas?. I seem to vagely remember reading something about a
purely mechanical system using some type of centrifugal clutch system.
Paul.
the abs on the mk3 granada seems to be made by Teves - they also made the abs on my 1989 xj-s.
It feels a bit mechanical throu the pedal when it operates, but its definatly electronic!
atb
steve
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Metal Hippy™
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| posted on 2/9/02 at 12:43 AM |
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Huzzah, somebody fighting my corner so I don't have to.
If we can get something sorted, when it gets to that stage we're hopefully gonna try and play with ABS on our machine.
And for the record, our car will also not be a 'proper Locost'.
Slightly bigger, therefore slightly heavier and we're also gonna fit everything we can into it as we like toys.
Ok, so maybe it won't go as fast or handle quite so nicely as a 'proper Locost', but who gives a rat's ass?
We'll still whoop most things on the road and enjoy every moment of it...
President of the Non-conformist Locost Builders Club. E-mail for details...
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Dunc
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| posted on 2/9/02 at 08:42 AM |
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that if the car is fitted with ABS then the car has to go through a more stringent brake test to ensure that
they work correctly. One of my donors, 2.8 XR4x4, is fitted with ABS, don't know to disconnect the ABS as it's tied into everything so I'm going to
fit it to my 'Winter Mobile'. No point making 1 car when you can make 3 and sell 1 to cover cost of other 2, keeps her indoors happy.
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 2/9/02 at 06:14 PM |
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The SVA does detail some extra stuff on abs.
Im not scared.
atb
steve
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 2/9/02 at 06:17 PM |
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quote:
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that if the car is fitted with ABS then the car has to go through a more stringent brake test to ensure
that they work correctly. One of my donors, 2.8 XR4x4, is fitted with ABS, don't know to disconnect the ABS as it's tied into everything so I'm
going to fit it to my 'Winter Mobile'. No point making 1 car when you can make 3 and sell 1 to cover cost of other 2, keeps her indoors happy.
if you mean electrically as in how do you isolate the loom, its p$$s easy. The haynes manual has a drg, and once you strip out the car looms, the abs
and efi come away on their own. The master cyl is a bit of a beast tho and cant really be used unless you have full abs system - but the wheel bits
seem to be the same.
atb
steve
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bass
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| posted on 3/9/02 at 08:08 PM |
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the highways safety has done studies to see if cars with abs are involved in more, or fewer accidents. it turns out that they are no less liklely to
be involved in accidents than cars without abs.there is much speculation about the reason. some people think that drivers of abs cars use the abs
incorrectly. some people think that since abs allows you to steer during a panic stop, more people run off the road and crash. try and stop an abs car
in the snow
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johnston
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| posted on 3/9/02 at 08:21 PM |
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i havent even started my car yet
it was just one of them ideas i had it will have a bias adjuster at the pedals
just its easier to fit such things at build time rather than to retro fit (cheaper 2)
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 3/9/02 at 09:01 PM |
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try and stop an abs car in the snow
yes, but freewheeling wheels under abs and you skidding under your own control equal the same thin i think?
I am totally convinced by ABS. There would be one dead or brain injured woman around (or not) today if my bmw had not any abs.
As it says in the manual, just break hard on the pedal and the car does the rest.
atb
steve
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bass
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| posted on 5/9/02 at 06:08 PM |
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with the wheels locked on snow. the snow builds up in front of the tyre and slows the car down. my 2.5i is a bastard in the snow, one car maker fitted
a switch to switch off abs in the snow
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 5/9/02 at 09:28 PM |
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funny think is, if im driving my open topped car in the rain or the snow im gonna be an idiot, and the possible tenedency to not be so good on snow is
something i am 100% sure i am not gonna experence! I have two other cars i could suffer that in and , well yes, they both have ABS too!!!!
atb
steve
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bass
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| posted on 11/9/02 at 08:29 PM |
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yes and the other 2 cars wont stop very well in the snow
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 11/9/02 at 10:20 PM |
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nothing stops very well in the snow so where is the problem?
abs come on cos the wheel has locked, so......dont brake so hard like you would on a normal car.
but then of course you dont stop, so you brake harder.
at that point the abs comes on.
on a non abs car you just skid.
cant see your meaning really.
atb
steve
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