chunkielad
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| posted on 27/1/05 at 09:28 PM |
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Drive out
I'm getting pressure from my lad to put a bike engine in the car (and from Lotusmark2!!! )
I have a 1.6 pinto and am about to get a 2.0l DOHC in the next few days.
Does anyone round here (Northwest) have a car with a 1.6, 2.0 or bike engine and is willing to take me for a spin so I can make my mind up?
I'm getting a bit head jammed from all the options!!! Looks like I'm getting a Q Plate anyway so I have no issues there - just want to see
if it's worth the extra money or if it'll just scare me!!!
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Lotusmark2
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| posted on 27/1/05 at 09:35 PM |
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Me pressure never
cbr or ZX10 you know it makes sense.
On a serious note though mate, knowing what you want to do with your beast once it is done the 2.0 will be more than quick enough (if you want you can
drop the 1.6 at my place so I can play with it
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chunkielad
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| posted on 27/1/05 at 10:03 PM |
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May well do that when I've decided mate as the 1.6 was free BUT it has been stood a long time and there is no oil in it!!!
What sort of work would this need? I really wanted to just put an engine in as engines are NOT my strong point!!!
Back to the drive though - ANYONE?
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mangogrooveworkshop
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| posted on 27/1/05 at 10:26 PM |
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Well here it is......Scotlad took me for a ride in the bec and that was it.......out with the boat anchor and into the screaming jap metal.
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shortie
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| posted on 27/1/05 at 10:31 PM |
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Get a ride in both and then make your choice. Early Fireblades are popular as you don't have to worry about emissions, that's the route I
have gone down.
Bike engines are pretty much fit and forget, I was very apprehensive as like you I did not have much engine knowledge. I found the blade engine very
straightforward and obviously the gearbox and engine are all one so that makes things easier.
Alot of people now go for the R1 as the blade engines are becoming harder to get hold of.
My personal opinion is for bike engines but each to there own, awesome noise, awesome power and sequential shift, just the job for me.
Rich.
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chunkielad
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| posted on 27/1/05 at 10:39 PM |
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I have to say that the bike engine is VERY tempting but I'm not sure it isn't overkill!!!
Do I need that much power? Do I WANT that much power!!! I also don't want to get out and push to reverse as I am LAZY!!!
A spin in both is defo what I want but there aren't many builders in my area with completed cars by the looks of it!!
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andy d (rizla)
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| posted on 27/1/05 at 11:39 PM |
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do you want that much power,,,,,,,yes
do i need that much power,,,,,,,,,,,,yes
why,cause whatever you fit it wont belong till you wish you had more
go for the bike
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chunkielad
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| posted on 28/1/05 at 12:33 AM |
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Would still like a drive out though just to push me one way or the other.
Maybe I'll have to drive a ways to get to someone but I really would like a sit in a moving version of each.
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shortie
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| posted on 28/1/05 at 08:30 AM |
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Let me guess, I bet once you've had a ride in a Bike Engined car you will build that, just a hunch but I reckon that's what will
happen!!!
You know it makes sense!
What about going to MK and getting a ride in one, Sat mornings there are usually some owners there, give them a ring and ask.
Rich.
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chunkielad
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| posted on 28/1/05 at 09:28 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by shortie
Let me guess, I bet once you've had a ride in a Bike Engined car you will build that, just a hunch but I reckon that's what will
happen!!!
PROBABLY!!!
quote:
What about going to MK and getting a ride in one, Sat mornings there are usually some owners there, give them a ring and ask.
Sounds like a good idea - they aren't a rediculous distance away!!!
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 28/1/05 at 09:33 AM |
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I had a ride in Jon Ison's BEC - I wanted one of them as well - but realised that either (1) I'd stuff the car into the scenery due to
lack of skill with a high power-to-weight car, or (2) lose my licence through driving too fast!
Mind you, risk number 2 is still valid, with my 1660 X-flow car!
David
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chunkielad
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| posted on 28/1/05 at 10:20 AM |
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You see, this is what gets me, I've got a 1.6 Pinto sat there but will need work and a 2.0L DOHC comming that may need work.
If I work on these, I'm still gonna have a bloody fast car and do I really want to loose my license? You only go as fast as your right foot but
mine is made of lead, It's really difficult to lift!!!
I'm not sure I'll live long in a BEC!!!
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shortie
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| posted on 28/1/05 at 10:34 AM |
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But then think 'what if??' and you will always think the same until you go for it. Probably worth thinking about when you are going to
drive the car, if it's everyday to work for instance then car engine may be better but for weekends and sheer thrill factor I reckon bike is the
way to go.
Take it on track, then you won't lose your licence and you can use the power and have loads of fun.
I reckon installation work it is much much easier than a car engine.
Bear in mind also that the preferred diff for a BEC is 3.62 (or less) so you may need to change the whole rear end. Although I think there are alot
of people using the 3.92 with a bike engine.
Rich.
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chunkielad
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| posted on 28/1/05 at 11:51 AM |
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I haven't checked what the diff is yet mate - was it a 3.92?
I keep leaning towards the bike engine but there is also the cost aspect of it all!!! Engines for less than £50 or bike engine for about £500 and
added bits to make it work and add reverse!!
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shortie
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| posted on 28/1/05 at 12:19 PM |
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It's a 3.92 if I remember rightly that's why I got another one, and it's not LSD.
You'll be lucky to get a bike engine with all the bits for less than about £1000.
Rich.
[Edited on 28/1/05 by shortie]
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chunkielad
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| posted on 28/1/05 at 12:21 PM |
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YOU SEE THERE'S THE OTHER ISSUE THEN!!!
I don't think I can commit to that sort of extra fundage without knowing if it's the right thing to do - a drive out HAS to be the answer
- will contact MK and see what they say.
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shortie
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| posted on 28/1/05 at 12:22 PM |
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Defintely the best idea but as I said I reckon it will be BEC for you!
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Lotusmark2
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| posted on 28/1/05 at 12:24 PM |
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The best bet for your own piece of mind mate.
£1000 for an engine!!!!
Hmm think I would stick to the good old CBR1000 for around the £500 mark
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Hellfire
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| posted on 28/1/05 at 12:27 PM |
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Get yourself along to the meet on every third (??) Wednesday of the month at Chinley Head. Theres usually a good mix of cars turn up and I'm
sure they would be obliging to take you out for a spin. It's not too far away from you. Send MK Ninja a U2U to confirm it still takes place.
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chunkielad
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| posted on 28/1/05 at 01:16 PM |
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You know I never thought of that either!! I think I'm losing it in my old age!!!
What would a 600cc engine be like? I can get tons of them cheap but would it be worth it?
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locoboy
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| posted on 28/1/05 at 01:20 PM |
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600cc - not enough grunt and smaller more fragile clutches = screaming slipping clutch to make it move off the line.
At least you would become pretty handy at changing clutches after a few weeks of use
ATB
Locoboy
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Lotusmark2
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| posted on 28/1/05 at 01:20 PM |
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600's are fine on bhp (most around 80-100bhp) but lacking in torque so I would not think they would be much good for the locost.
You will still be looking around £400 for an ok 600cc with everything so not a great saving over a 1000.
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Jasper
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| posted on 28/1/05 at 04:21 PM |
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You're right to think long and hard - I went in Jon's BEC and 'had to have one'. Built it, loved it, then got a bit fed up
with it, then stuffed it into the scenery!!
Pro's - loads of power, sequential box, easy install, excellent on the track
Cons - I found it a hard car to drive 'sensibly', it was all or nothing, so it was usually all!, they are noisey, cold and really
'solo' cars, crap on long distance or dodgy weather, sequential box can be a pain, no reverse, and by the time you've fitted it,
quite a lot more expensive.
You've got to think what you'll use the car for most. My next one will have a car engine
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chunkielad
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| posted on 28/1/05 at 04:59 PM |
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Thanks for talking sense Jasper
This ios the info I need - I am not 100% sure that a bike engine is the be all and end all!!!
Yes they have their place but is that infront of me whilst I drive my 9 yr old son around?
Maybe not!!! Plus the expense!!
BUT what about track days? What about if I get an off road bit of fun run tarmac? A bike engine would be a scream!! I think I'll see what the
2.0L DOHC needs doing to it before I make a decision!!!
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Hellfire
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| posted on 28/1/05 at 06:40 PM |
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Best to get a drive in both before you decide.
As Jasper says there are pro's and con's to both.
For me it would be bike engine every time, the more powerful the better. But it really depends what YOU want.
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