dozracing
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| posted on 27/3/04 at 10:01 PM |
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With such a bad reputation how do they manage to top the list of number of kits sold per year?
I have a couple of customers who bought shocks from me for their Tigar Avon build who had a RH kit before the Avon. Basically they started working on
it and got to a certain stage and realised it wasn't going to give them what they wanted and they skipped the chassis and used the donor parts
on the Tiger. No experience of them myself but these guys were adamant that even the local scrap metal dealer didn't want the chassis. Even all
the stainless parts rusted!!
Darren
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guff
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| posted on 27/3/04 at 11:01 PM |
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.....and i was thinking about a 2b at one point.... not no more. I'm glad I started the thread "gts or mk?" and not "gts or
rh?"! I think i may have been shot
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britishtrident
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| posted on 28/3/04 at 07:25 AM |
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Link a lot of thing RH do the chassis is interesting but -----
The thing that amazes me is that completed Robin Hoods have a resale value, they actualy fetch silly money, Its the stainless steel that does it.
Frrom the very first Triumph 1500 based car it was obvious that RH have no idea about suspension engineering, since then they have adopted several
different suspension designs all radically different each one seemingly worse than the last.
They have however driven prices down --- and quality down even further. They also aren't scared of trying something different it is just what
ever they do it seems only a quarter way thought through.
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DaveFJ
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| posted on 29/3/04 at 12:53 PM |
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The IDEA of the chassis, I find very interesting. With my aircraft engineering background, there is something very appealing about a really
lightweight aluminium alloy monocoque - maybe coupled with a a decent bike engine... could be fantastic!
However - I have to agree that the chassis would have to be well made and designed - and no I don't trust RHE either!
On the other hand - to be fair! the chassis presented at the Exeter show was only a prototype and they still haven't gone into production so it
would have probably been hand made - not machine folded etc........and a prototype is always just that....
Or maybe they are just crap - alegedly ?
Dave
"In Support of Help the Heroes" - Always
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 29/3/04 at 12:59 PM |
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if you talk to any car owner at a show they all get excited and say how wonderfull they are,try asking a throbin hood owner the same question and they
string themselvs up
who cares who wins
pass the pork pies
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Markp
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| posted on 29/3/04 at 08:10 PM |
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Ok,
It's not very often I come on here and give my personal opinion,
I know various people with robin hoods and fair enough some of the build quality isn't the best, But the robin hood is the kit they choose, for
what ever reason. They might have bitched during the build but when it's complete they (like everyone on here will) stand back and say I built
that, and going with the problems mentioned I will be the first to say welldone.
The new chassis could do with a few improvements and time will tell if they make them. There are alot of good things about Robin Hood (if it's
the kit you want).
I.ve never had a problem with the bits and I won't be in the line to slag them off.
As I said at the begining, just my opinion.
Mark
[Edited on 29/3/04 by Markp]
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britishtrident
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| posted on 29/3/04 at 08:17 PM |
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The real problem for me is the lack of understanding of engineering -- less said about some of the suspension designs they have used the better..
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mlgates
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| posted on 29/3/04 at 08:19 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by dblissett
it looks like some thing wallace and gromit might of made
i for one will stick to rons chassis
cheers dave
Hey now!
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 29/3/04 at 09:11 PM |
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Im not a fan either way of RHE but...
seems to me that as Cateringvan owners think locosters are a lesser life form, to us, its RH owners.
atb
steve
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Markp
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| posted on 29/3/04 at 10:47 PM |
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Should it really matter what car you are building????
At the end of the day everyone has there own taste and the more kits that are being sold then the stonger the kit car industry will become. It
doesn't pay for everyone to be the same.
Mark
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NS Dev
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| posted on 29/3/04 at 11:00 PM |
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A fair point, some of the RHE engineering is extremely poor but having said that it is pretty cheap and if you want a single donor you have to put up
with compromise! (just look at all the cars with Sierra front uprights, hmmmm)
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britishtrident
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| posted on 30/3/04 at 12:44 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by NS Dev
A fair point, some of the RHE engineering is extremely poor but having said that it is pretty cheap and if you want a single donor you have to put up
with compromise! (just look at all the cars with Sierra front uprights, hmmmm)
I reckon the Sierra upright has advantages over the Cortina one. Everytime I look at the Cortina upright it annoys me even more so when it has the
muckle great no good M16 caliper on it. If it wasn't for the simplicity of keeping reasonably close to the book I would use MG or Triumph front
end parts.
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DaveFJ
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| posted on 30/3/04 at 01:53 PM |
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quote:
Everytime I look at the Cortina upright it annoys me even more so when it has the muckle great no good M16 caliper on it.
Once more in English ??
[Edited on 30/3/04 by protofj]
Dave
"In Support of Help the Heroes" - Always
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200mph
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| posted on 30/3/04 at 02:07 PM |
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what? I understood him... your not scottish are you britishtrident?
muckle meaning big,
Anyone seen the big piece on RH in this months Kitcar? Wonder how much they paid the magazine for that feature..
Mark
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NS Dev
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| posted on 30/3/04 at 05:15 PM |
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fair point but it's dead easy to fit other calipers!! (and vented discs) These uprights have been the basis of some of the best handling kits
around. (my mate runs Ultima and their early cars used Cortina uprights, including the MK2 racers, before they got the ally ones sorted)
Brakes etc are dead easy to sort, the fundamental geometry is pretty much fixed, and the sierra is designed for a mcpherson strut with the top pivot
well inboard of the pivot point used when "top hat" adaptor inserts are used! I did alter the cortina uprights on my 'grasser by
shortening the steering arms to get better ackerman angle for the very short wheelbase (I redrilled the arms 20mm up the arm from the original tapered
hole, then welded a spacer boss on top and a threaded boss underneath, a caphead bolt then pulls a spherical rodend (used as the trackrod end) onto
the stepped spacer on top and the height of this spacer reduces the bump steer. This setup together with a 1-turn lock to lock rack gives me about 140
deg lock to lock, accessed by 1 a turn of the wheel, powerslides are not difficult to control now!! (not good for the road though and anyway I have
gone off on a complete tangent as usual!!)
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Ian Pearson
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| posted on 1/4/04 at 05:10 PM |
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quote:
seems to me that as Cateringvan owners think locosters are a lesser life form, to us, its RH owners.
Speak for yourself.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 1/4/04 at 06:01 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Ian Pearson
quote:
seems to me that as Cateringvan owners think locosters are a lesser life form, to us, its RH owners.
Speak for yourself.
Lots of others we can look down on --- right at the very bottom Dutton and Locust, even RH is above them
Funny things is Catervan owners don't realise they should look up to Birkin.
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Phil Allonby
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| posted on 22/4/04 at 10:33 AM |
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it just saddens me that we get into this type of stuff in the first place. i know its only personal opinion, to which we're all entitled and i
know that some of the messages may be tongue in cheek, but theres a very real chance that people may be offended and upset, and that cant be the
reason for us all being here. to be honest i cant see why anyone should look down on anyone else. i agree that the catering (etc) and westy boys
probably do look down on others because their cars probably cost more than my house, but this stupid, spitefull attitiude shouldnt be shared by others
in the kit car world. if you really want to look down on anyone, how about the guys who think that all cars should have a roof, should be economical
and sensible. thats the real enemy!
phil
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DaveFJ
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| posted on 22/4/04 at 10:38 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Phil Allonby
. if you really want to look down on anyone, how about the guys who think that all cars should have a roof, should be economical and sensible. thats
the real enemy!
phil
How about the Chav's with there spoiler laden neon lit Massive alloyed Nova's ? Surely they are the enemy too ?
Dave
"In Support of Help the Heroes" - Always
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 22/4/04 at 10:44 AM |
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i agree with last bit there phill,the rest is that we have to convince ourselvs we made the right choice,not only in spending a sack full of cash on a
car we only use a few weeks of the year but that we built the right car,i did a lot of research before i built mine and i think i made the right
decission,its a tribal thing as well,my tribe/football club is better than yours.
i have found all the locost/mk/luego builders i have met very friendly and some things they have done for fellow builders really have been beyond the
call of duty,read elsewhere as to how others have treated their own
who cares who wins
pass the pork pies
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JoelP
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| posted on 22/4/04 at 01:00 PM |
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those miserable bar stewards...
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 22/4/04 at 07:04 PM |
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To quote from this months Practical Classics
Robin Hood
"One rung above a Locost, the Robin Hoood is another budget seven that can be built from a dead Sierra on a shoestring.
While the engineering is sound enough, it is nothing to get excited about - but if you keep the build costs down you should be able to get your money
back at resale time"
Poor sad, ill informed, cheeky bastards
I think we should all email the dull buggers and set them right
If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 22/4/04 at 08:50 PM |
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whats their addy then?
atb
steve
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JoelP
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| posted on 22/4/04 at 09:11 PM |
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second that, gimme an address and i'll give them an earfull. fools...
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 22/4/04 at 09:16 PM |
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found it
practical.classics@emap.com
let the onslaught commence
If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
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