55ant
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 11:35 AM |
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have to agree with conrod, whoever gets in will have to do some awfull things, massive spending cuts etc, and then we will all get to vote again in a
year or so. if cameron and clegg form up within a year we wont want them anymore, so who is left after that.
away from cars, now cycling and building TT bikes
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02GF74
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 11:55 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by coozer
For the record...
Thatcher ....
I hope she burns in hell....
..... like I said, I don't know the ins and out was was little.
..... but she had lovely hair!?!?!
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jimmyjoebob
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 11:59 AM |
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I would rather let Osbourne become Chancellor than keep the morons that have sold off most of the country's assets and left us with a horrendous
deficit!
Labour has left the country's finances in chaos every time they have been in power. FACT! They have never dealt with a recovery before so
don't chance it now.
If at first you don't succeed, hide all evidence you ever tried!
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BenB
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 12:02 PM |
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They're all a load of egotistical muppets. When they're in power they move from post to post as if its possible to become an
"expert" on something overnight then over-ride the opinion of the true experts (e.g. Iraq war, recent events on drugs).
If they a prerequosit for being the minister for X should be actually having some past experience and knowledge of X in the flipping first place. May
be then they wouldn't make such a dog's dinner of trying to organise it.
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 12:13 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by BenB
They're all a load of egotistical muppets. When they're in power they move from post to post as if its possible to become an
"expert" on something overnight then over-ride the opinion of the true experts (e.g. Iraq war, recent events on drugs).
If they a prerequosit for being the minister for X should be actually having some past experience and knowledge of X in the flipping first place. May
be then they wouldn't make such a dog's dinner of trying to organise it.
+1
the country should be run by a coalition of specialists: scientists (health and research), economists (economy), diplomats (foreign policy and
internal PR), commanding officers (defence), town planners (infrastructure) and teachers (education) - all with clearly defined roles
each election time candidates in each area are selected by nationwide panels of specialists in the fields before going to a national public vote with
a first past the post system in all six areas.
Craig
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02GF74
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 12:33 PM |
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^^^^ gosh you some sort of radical fundamentalist suggesting the the govenrment should be composed of competant, intelligent people who have the
nation's interest and not their own? 
blimey - you'll next be suggesting clarkson should be the minister of transport. 
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whitestu
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 12:44 PM |
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quote:
For the record...
Thatcher provoked the 1984 miners strike to get back at the miners after the last strike in 74 brought the conservative government down.
North east pits were very economical, productivity was huge BUT uk coal didn't get the subsidies that foreign imports did.
200 years of coal mining in this area hardly touched the reserves and its interesting to note that most of the collieries weren't
'closed' as such. They were officially 'mothballed', then the shafts were filled in rather quickly....
Houghton Colliery developed a new face, invested 10m in new machinery and was closed down before production started as the books showed a loss.....
She closed the shipyards, closed the pits, then raised the mortgage rate to 17%
I hope she burns in hell....
Spot on Coozer - I was there during the strike, part way through my apprenticeship, and saw what went on. Still have a problem with the Tories as a
result.
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 12:47 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by whitestu
Still have a problem with the Tories as a result.
Do you still have a problem with the germans too
Craig
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turbodisplay
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 12:49 PM |
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What people may miss is that yes there is an srgument for labour, as they may be a stronger side to deal with recovery. BUT as they won`t admit they
are wrong GB is still pressing ahead with ID cards -waste on money and in a few years time it will be compulsary to carry at all times, (where will
the average girl on a night out put it - or me when playing rugby and carry nothing of value except £10 and the house keys).
He still thinks spend spend spend is the plan.
At least the tories will scrap the waste of money ideas due to being new and not tied to plans that won`t work, but still press ahead so not looking
like doing a u-turn.
They only one thing i disagree with is the upgrading of trident. As we cannot launch without the UNs say so what is the point. It will take hours or
days to mobilise a nuclear counter strike.
Might as well repair/upgrade them (locost style  ) or scrap most of them.
Darren
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RK
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 12:54 PM |
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The same people who complain about government interference, are the same people who complain that IVA costs so much. You can't have your cake
and eat it too. It all depends on how you want your borrowed money the government uses, to be redistributed.
Thatcher and Reagan arguably caused this whole economic situation we are in right now. You can't borrow forever. Sooner or later someone wants
their money back. See: Greece... Iceland... and more on the horizon.
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ali f27
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 12:56 PM |
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My take on a hung parliment is that the public cannot see any one party as capable of running the show
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whitestu
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 01:12 PM |
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quote:
Do you still have a problem with the germans too
No, quite like them!
I voted for Cameron actually, so hoping they have changed!
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scootz
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 01:12 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by cd.thomson
quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
Tories cant win an overall majority now, which is only a good thing.
well... if you're a miner and this was the 1980s.
For the rest of us, its quite a bad thing.
Or you're from Scotland. Period! The shafting we took under the last Tory Government will never be forgotten!
They've only ever won 1 out of the available 59 seats (previously 72) in Scotland for a few decades now.
FRANKIE
BOYLE THATCHER RANT (NSFW)
It's Evolution Baby!
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chrsgrain
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 01:29 PM |
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Or you're from Scotland. Period! The shafting we took under the last Tory Government will never be forgotten!
They've only ever won 1 out of the available 59 seats (previously 72) in Scotland for a few decades now.
Yep - and who do you think has kept the Labour Party in power for the last 13 years in England - cos they've NEVER had a majority in England
EVER.... and the Scottish MP's voted on things (like Foundation trusts) which couldn't affect their constituents, over the objections of
the MP's who represented the people who it would affect....
20% more funding per capita in Scotland in public services, 2p on my Income tax to pay for the Scottish ability to spend but not tax.... not to
mention bail out the Scottish banks (HBOScotland, RBScotland), the bill for which will primarily be met by the English taxpayer....
Hmm - wonder who's getting the best deal here....
Spoing! - the sound of an irony meter breaking...
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bmseven
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 01:31 PM |
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Hung Parliament
If only it was true 
BMW 7 Resource
Bures Pit anyone?
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jabbahutt
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 02:08 PM |
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Easy let the Scots and the Welsh govern themselves and spend what they like on whatever they like.
But not a single penny from England goes to either then we'll see how the standard of living in England alters, you shouldn't get ot pick
and choose what you do and don't have independance on.
And before North sea gas or oil crops into the argument feel free to keep it and sell it as you're going to need every pound to keep funding
free degrees and higher standards of public services etc.
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scootz
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 02:35 PM |
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Yes please!
It's Evolution Baby!
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A1
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 03:02 PM |
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this may have been mentioned, but what about all those who didnt get their vote?
I even heard that our soldiers on the front line werent getting their vote cause they didnt get the ballots out in time...?
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scootz
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 03:15 PM |
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Absolutely disgusting if members of our Armed Forces didn't get their votes counted!
The collection and administration of their ballot papers should be a priority!
It's Evolution Baby!
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jabbahutt
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 03:27 PM |
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yep if anyone deserves a vote it's those who put their lives on the line and allow us to sit here and type safely about things like this
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Badger_McLetcher
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 04:09 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jabbahutt
yep if anyone deserves a vote it's those who put their lives on the line and allow us to sit here and type safely about things like this
+1
However, I honestly don't think any of the parties are better. They've all done crap things.
We're in a situation now where we have professional politicians (what is this crap?!?), and the whole political class are distant from reality.
None are exempt, all are pretty much corrupt, and it won't change.
If disfunction is a function, then I must be some kind of genius.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 04:16 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jabbahutt
Easy let the Scots and the Welsh govern themselves and spend what they like on whatever they like.
But not a single penny from England goes to either then we'll see how the standard of living in England alters, you shouldn't get ot pick
and choose what you do and don't have independance on.
And before North sea gas or oil crops into the argument feel free to keep it and sell it as you're going to need every pound to keep funding
free degrees and higher standards of public services etc.
In that case you fight your own wars and not take the massive taxes lumped on our whisky exports.
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 04:18 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scootz
quote:
Originally posted by chrsgrain
quote:
Or you're from Scotland. Period! The shafting we took under the last Tory Government will never be forgotten!
They've only ever won 1 out of the available 59 seats (previously 72) in Scotland for a few decades now.
Yep - and who do you think has kept the Labour Party in power for the last 13 years in England - cos they've NEVER had a majority in England
EVER.... and the Scottish MP's voted on things (like Foundation trusts) which couldn't affect their constituents, over the objections of
the MP's who represented the people who it would affect....
20% more funding per capita in Scotland in public services, 2p on my Income tax to pay for the Scottish ability to spend but not tax.... not to
mention bail out the Scottish banks (HBOScotland, RBScotland), the bill for which will primarily be met by the English taxpayer....
Hmm - wonder who's getting the best deal here....
I agree...
I think you will find that neither HBOS or RBS are in any way really scottish apart from the names.
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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scootz
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 04:23 PM |
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Scotland would do very well financially on it's own... I have no doubt of that. For me, the only debate lies in whether you're a
Nationalist or a Unionist!
Whilst I'm British I will want and fight for the best for Britain, but if I am offered the choice of Scotland becoming an independent country,
then I will embrace it and then I will want and fight for the best for Scotland.
It's Evolution Baby!
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britishtrident
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 04:25 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
PR has its drawbacks as well.
Its very complex and means that voters need to have abetter understanding of individual party policies. most of whom dont as they just blindly vote
for the same party over and over.
It also is more likely to lead to a hung parliament where there are more than 2 main parties. Which there are in the UK if you look at the breakdown
of votes from this election.
PR is awful as a system how the heck anyone can work out the results I will never know, the ballot papers are hard enough for voters to understand,
but in Scotland it has produced a Parliament that actually works rather well. In Edinburgh only really has proved troublesome once when the budget
was blocked by a single Green MSP, but all the other parties all got into a huddle and fixed that within 24hrs.
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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