Hellfire
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| posted on 29/5/04 at 10:54 AM |
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Originally posted by Cita
With the most respect helfire but it's the same old song again,a few idiots make a mess and the common reaction is not to remove those idiots
from the road but put everyone through a test
Sorry - but it the same guy who's causing the accidents  He's 87 years old, has 50% vision without aid, has 10% hearing and is suffering
from Alzheimers. No disrespect but given a good pair of glasses and a hearing aid (WHAT?)... I rest my case. But seriously... here in the UK
you don't have a right to drive on the roads it's a priveledge. That's surely what the DT is for in the first place. Surely some
discipline has to be applied to control accidents.
So an "older driver" who has poor eyesight and is obviously a liability, probably doesn't get prosecuted for being a
'speedster' but a safer driver that does not make! I wouldn't like to think he/she was driving past my childrens school at finishing
time.
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Cita
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| posted on 29/5/04 at 10:58 AM |
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Hello again Liam,
sorry forgat about the bottom line of questions you asked.
The diff is only placed there to give me some visual idea.
The diff will be modified for chain drive.The intention is to use the car from time to time in hillclimb but living in Absurdistan there is not much
to look out for.
It's gonna be (hopefully) a single seat formula style car.I have not checked the weight of the frame so far but things add up quickly!!
If you have any further questions please feel free to ask
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liam.mccaffrey
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| posted on 29/5/04 at 11:00 AM |
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I am quite eager in fact to be convinced otherwise but what alternative is there to retests?
The current driving tests are harder than ever to pass and I think that this will make for safer roads in time
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Cita
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| posted on 29/5/04 at 11:10 AM |
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A change in mentality is the only alternative i guess.
How to achieve this...i have no clue!!!!!
Second alternative,put more police on the street with the power to confiscate a car for extremely dangerous behaviour.
Crush the f#"king thing and have the 2 x2 x 2 foot lump of iron dropped in the front yard of the owner!
Seriously i have no idea how to solve the problem of dangerous road behaviour but i'm also scary of more rules.
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Peteff
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| posted on 29/5/04 at 11:12 AM |
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A bit off topic but....
The wife and I ride pushbikes and we stopped at a local reservoir viewing and picnic area for a breather. An old couple (trilby and headscarf) were
sat in their car and decided to get the picnic gear out, sandwiches, plates, glasses and a box of white wine. We didn't stay to see how
many they had.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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Hellfire
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 posted on 29/5/04 at 11:21 AM |
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As motorcycle License Holder, it opened my eyes just how very poor most car drivers are (obviously as a Car driver now!) BUT one thing riding a
motorcycle does do: it opens your eyes  - by the sound of it Liam - you are a ex/biker to, right? I would say most Car drivers don't lifesave
their LEFT and RIGHT shoulder, like a biker would.
Hence a biker driving a car is even safer!
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liam.mccaffrey
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| posted on 29/5/04 at 11:23 AM |
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toughening the test will work unfortunatly it will take an awful long time
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liam.mccaffrey
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| posted on 29/5/04 at 11:28 AM |
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Hellfire
i'm not a biker,but my father is and I was very interested in what he was learning when he did his bike test, he passed just before the stiffer
regs came in 6+ years ago??
I do ride a motocross bike offroad but the main reason i am very aware is because I was taught to drive by my father at the same time as he was
sitting his bike test
[Edited on 29/5/04 by liam.mccaffrey]
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mackie
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| posted on 29/5/04 at 11:33 AM |
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I've come across a lot of lemming-like roundabout behaviour recently. Typically it'll be rush hour and there will be queues coming up to a
major 4 or 5 exit roundabout and people just barge out infront of you. In one particular case I was in the shitty company vectra and a lady in a micra
just pulled out (not looking right) in such a way that if i had braked i would have hit her square in the side, so, being in 2nd gear I just booted it
and she missed my rear quarter by what must have been inches and showed no sign of emergency evasion. I was kind of gobsmacked by that.
Impatience is a bad bad thing when it comes to driving.
Also there seems to be a plague of people who's cars only seem to be capable for 40mph or 0mph. My journey to work takes me along a road which
goes past a school (30mph) then becomes a 40 and then a 60. So many people just do the whole stretch at 40!! Why?! Admittedly some tricky b-roads do
take commitment a skill to do the limit on but this is a wide, sweeping A road. I know I was ranting about impatience before so maybe i'm being
hyprocritical but the 40mph brigade really do wee me off.
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 29/5/04 at 11:43 AM |
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toughtening the test will do nothing.
whoever passes will lapse into their own style of driving after a few months be it good or bad.
If you want regular retests, just imagine the stress of that. If you failed, it would be like a ban.
loss of job, partner, house. Just cos you forgot to mirror signal manovre.
everyone makes mistakes - most of the time small ones. Im an ex biker and well understand the need to look out for yourself.
car drivers are a more mixed bunch, and you cant expect everyone to be 100% driving to work, school, tescos, whatever. shyte happens, you just need to
anticipate - ala bikers - it.
But sometimes you wont.
atb
steve
ps
how many builders on here are making cars to blast around country lanes with huge acelleration and cornering power. Or plan to do racing lines around
roundabouts, etc.
you know you will. So does that mean you need a new test to teach you how not to have fun on the roads, and stop you from being on the borderlines, or
over the edge of road safety?
[Edited on 29/5/04 by stephen_gusterson]
[Edited on 29/5/04 by stephen_gusterson]
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Hellfire
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| posted on 29/5/04 at 11:52 AM |
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Having re-tests wouldn't stipulate a PASS or FAIL it would be PASS or EDUCATE. I agree with the making the Test more difficult though - it is
quite difficult now and I think as a result it will pay dividends in the future - but not now!
Regarding St Albans - the worlds worst r'bout is just down the road in Hemel Hempstead - where it is quite legal to navigate the r'bout
anticlockwise whilst observing the clockwise rule - discuss! Kind of primary and secondary r'bout rules - crazy! The first time is
f*****g so frightening but then you get used to it and act like all the rest. Maybe an 'adaptive' driving test is more relevant!
Cosworth - didn't they institute a driving test for the Sierra when it was released. Don't for a second suggest that Steve, don't
let the Cat out the Bag!!!
[Edited on 29-5-04 by Hellfire]
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 29/5/04 at 01:35 PM |
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i learnt to survive on bikes before discovering women,should be compulsary to ride a bike before driving a car,you soon learn about slippery surfaces
and muppets in side roads.
notice that a lot of foregin drivers havnt got a clue(tin hat on dives for cover)
who cares who wins
pass the pork pies
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 29/5/04 at 07:00 PM |
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it cant be as bad as the hemel one - this doesnt show it in all its glory, but the little dots are just some of the mini roundabout that make it
up.
the product of a truly sick mind
atb
steve
 
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 29/5/04 at 07:01 PM |
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and from the air
 
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 29/5/04 at 07:02 PM |
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and the much more roundabout free place where i live
 
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mangogrooveworkshop
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| posted on 29/5/04 at 08:15 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by stephen_gusterson
it cant be as bad as the hemel one - this doesnt show it in all its glory, but the little dots are just some of the mini roundabout that make it
up.
the product of a truly sick mind
atb
steve
Thats called the magic roundabout traveled through there from luton airport to Aylesbury a year ago.....now having driven on a few continents that
one is the most wierd ever seen! In deepest darkest Africa the side of the road you drive on is the one with the least potholes or sheep,goats,taxis
overloaded trucks ect LOL One bonus the cops now take bribes from your credit card...even expired ones!
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Hellfire
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 posted on 29/5/04 at 08:55 PM |
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That's the puppy....
I wonder who came up with that one? I bet now he/she is in a mental institution. Or did they drag him/her out to do the design?
I've travelled around it myself when visiting my HQ - it is without doubt the most dangerous piece of highway in England!
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Alan B
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| posted on 29/5/04 at 10:30 PM |
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No THIS is the magic roundabout....
Click here
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Peteff
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| posted on 29/5/04 at 10:42 PM |
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it cant be as bad as the hemel one
The map has 5 exits and the ariel photo has 6, and does the big green area constitute a roundabout which you could be going round in the wrong
direction? I'm glad I've not got to work that one out.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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liam.mccaffrey
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| posted on 29/5/04 at 11:58 PM |
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I have been on that swindon one, its bonkers i didn't know what the f@#k i was doing or where I was going in fact which made it worse,
incidently it was in swindon that i totaled my girlfriends BRAND NEW Clio, on a roundabout , but not with a morgan!!
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zetec
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| posted on 30/5/04 at 01:43 AM |
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I can't see how retesting will improve road safety...a lot of dangerous drivers are very skilled at driving a car, and doing a 25 min drive as
per the highway code would present very little difficulty. The big problem is that they have a bad attitude to driving.
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Cita
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| posted on 30/5/04 at 06:24 AM |
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I've been working for 30 years in the road department but i never have seen anything like this!!!!
This is madness
Not that i'm surprised though...on paper the plan will present itself beautifull with all the arrows and white lines.
Oh well...
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JoelP
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| posted on 30/5/04 at 08:01 AM |
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i bet that swindon roundabout works quite well for the locals who know it, but its such an unusually idea that people who dont know whats happening
will be very confused! not a bad idea in my books though, it must help traffic flow!
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Peteff
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| posted on 30/5/04 at 10:26 AM |
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I'm trying to get to there.
so to do a 'U' turn I could just go round the first mini roundabout I came to or round the outside of the big one. I hope it's more
obvious when you actually see it for real. Watch out Steve they're sneaking up on you.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 30/5/04 at 10:51 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by stephen_gusterson
it cant be as bad as the hemel one
Ahh... the Magic Roundabout - highly entertaining!!
I was being hassled by a boy racer coming down the hill from the M1 one day, and eventually he carved his way past and hammered off to the left on the
first mini-roundabout. I went right, had one less r'bout to get round - and was in front of him again!
Made my day, that did (especially when I made a point of sticking EXACTLY to the speed limit for the next mile or so! (Yes, I am a bar steward in my
spare time)
David
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