scootz
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| posted on 5/11/10 at 05:21 PM |
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Well if he says he saw it Blake, then that's good enough for me!
It's Evolution Baby!
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scootz
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| posted on 5/11/10 at 05:23 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Fozzie
I don't think 'it' just 'happens' at night either .......
but that's another story............or........... 20 
You HAVE to tell us... but make sure you're finished by 8pm as any later than that and I'll not sleep!
It's Evolution Baby!
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T66
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| posted on 5/11/10 at 06:40 PM |
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One night while at work (out flying)
We did a double take at a single mysterious light travelling toward us. Wasnt strobing ..
As it went past , all be it very briefly we thought UFO. It was a fairly large object and travelling rapidly away from us.
We about turned , and had a closer look. The biggest Chinese lantern & the first one I had seen close up.
So yes your eyes play big tricks on you at night, sometimes ends up in aircraft flying into hillsides, mix eye trickery with a bit of tiredness and
maybe you could see a ghost.
My view as Ive not seen one (yet) is its about whether your up to believing in ghosts or otherwise.
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blakep82
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| posted on 5/11/10 at 06:47 PM |
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its a weird one, because you can't prove they don't exist.
you can't REALLY prove to anyone they do if you see one yourself, either.
its all down to what you beleive. i've never seen anything personally, but i'm open minded to it.
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T66
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| posted on 5/11/10 at 06:49 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
its a weird one, because you can't prove they don't exist.
you can't REALLY prove to anyone they do if you see one yourself, either.
its all down to what you beleive. i've never seen anything personally, but i'm open minded to it.
Your right, never say never.
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blakep82
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| posted on 5/11/10 at 06:50 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Confused but excited.
I have an 'engineer's mind set' and have never been religious, never believed in ghosts, until...
My experience was 13 years ago, in broad daylight at 2:00pm on a sunny afternoon and shared with four other people. Totally rocked my logical world.
Having said that it made that world a lot more interesting and a much happier place.
It also helped me to cope with the loss of my wife a eleven years later, after the initial insanity of grief.
So I guess we can't know for 100% certain until we croak ourselves, but for me personally I would be more than happy to go anytime, as death now
holds no fear for me at all.
very much intruiged now... can you tell us what happened? if you want to that is
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blakep82
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| posted on 5/11/10 at 06:55 PM |
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well, i said i'd never seen anything myself, years ago, i used to see a drip of water fall in front of me. didn't matter where i was or
what i was doing.
one night though i was standing in the house talking to my mum, i saw this drop of water. but i didn't say anything. my mum bent down and
started to rub the carpet and then the ceiling, i asked what she was doing, she said she'd seen a drip of water and thought a pipe had burst,
and checked the floor and ceiling for wetness. not seen it for a while now though
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scootz
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| posted on 5/11/10 at 07:06 PM |
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I'm completely open to the concept... nay probability... that there are other life forms out in the Universe!
It's Evolution Baby!
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steve m
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| posted on 5/11/10 at 07:31 PM |
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"I'm completely open to the concept... nay probability... that there are other life forms out in the Universe! "
absoloutley, how can we be so conceted, that we are the only inteligent (some of us) life in our universe
Steve
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Confused but excited.
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| posted on 5/11/10 at 08:15 PM |
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blakep82, I'll have a go tomorrow if you want. Not got the time now.
Tell them about the bent treacle edges!
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BenB
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| posted on 5/11/10 at 08:20 PM |
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IMHO when you're brown bread you're brown bread. The interesting bit is trying to decide when that's happened. Death isn't a
light switch it's a dimmer switch being turned down slowly (usually anyway, obviously Mr AQ with his TNT enema surprise breaks this rule)....
But I think it's a when it's gone it's gone type scenario. I've walked down too many dark hospital corridors at night without
anything happening to stop believing!!!
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scootz
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| posted on 5/11/10 at 08:22 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by steve m
"I'm completely open to the concept... nay probability... that there are other life forms out in the Universe! "
absoloutley, how can we be so conceted, that we are the only inteligent (some of us) life in our universe
Steve
Agreed... we're told that the Universe is 'infinite'. If that's the case then there are 'infinite' possibilities
about what may exist in it!
It's Evolution Baby!
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Benzine
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| posted on 5/11/10 at 08:51 PM |
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I was once driving on my own at about 2am on the A607, i turned off onto a small country back road and carried on for about 4 miles. My back was
feeling a bit stiff so I adjusted the seat which helped. I changed from Radio 4 to an Ulrich Schnauss CD, the sound quality was really vivid. As I
went down a steep hill through thick woodland with snow lining the roadside, I suddenly felt cold. I turned on my heated seat and, at that point,
realised just how refined and sophisticated my Volvo 965 SE really is.
Pics/videos or it didn't happen
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 5/11/10 at 09:29 PM |
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thanks for all your replies peeps,i would love to get another dog but it wouldnt be fair on him/her now i have a deep and meaningfull job.
as for the knife...point taken,ill keep the rifle under my pillow instead .
who cares who wins
pass the pork pies
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graememk
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| posted on 5/11/10 at 10:03 PM |
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you need a bag of 2p's in an old walking sock...
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RK
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| posted on 6/11/10 at 01:32 AM |
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Well, I've seen a few corpses in my time and I can say that when they are gone, they're gone. I've also been visited regularly by my
dear departed relatives from time to time. They are called DREAMS.
Also, the only other people I know who have claimed to have seen ghosts were also heavily into all sorts of drugs. Credibility=zero in other words.
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Badger_McLetcher
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| posted on 6/11/10 at 01:58 AM |
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I dunno, whilst I'm open to the idea of ghosts, it would take one showing itself to me and giving me a 3 hour lecture (with power point slides
mind you) to convince me they exist
On another note, for personal defence I tend to keep my reenactment weaponry in a wardrobe. That way it's relatively easy to hand, it's
all rebated so won't kill anyone (without serious effort!) and scares the living excrement out of anyone who see's it Got a
particularly handy short sword (the lads call it Rexcalibur), made out of an old leaf spring!
If disfunction is a function, then I must be some kind of genius.
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scootz
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| posted on 6/11/10 at 10:57 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by graememk
in an old walking sock...
Had to read that twice!
It's Evolution Baby!
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 6/11/10 at 11:47 AM |
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There's got to be something, I've seen and heard too much that can't be explained any other way. Missus has also seen and heard
people in various houses throughout her job and there's been no-one there (e.g. heard someone else upstairs, no-one in the building)
I watched something about magnetic energy/strong fields distorting your eyeballs so you see things, but you could argue that light does the same
thing.
As for aliens, if we say one in a million stars carries a planet capable of supporting life, and one in a million of those have had circumstances in
which life could start, and one in a million of them actually supported life... well how many stars are out there? It's a mathematical
inevitability
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Confused but excited.
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| posted on 6/11/10 at 02:20 PM |
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Well in response to 'blakep82', here goes...
Firstly about me. I have always been a 'prove it' sort of guy but open minded as opposed to cynical. Having said that, the more I learn,
the more I realise how little we actually know and that we seem to understand even less. Both my sons were reared to be of the same ilk.
Now as to what happened to me to change things, although now I come to actually write this down for the first time, I realise that I haven't
changed at all.
Actually two things happend to me that rocked my world.
Firstly, I had a very great friend that was like an elder brother/mentor to me. In early 1998 he came to see us and when I opened the door I had the
shock of my life. His skin was orange, not jaundice yellow but bright orange like he had been 'Tangoed'. When I raised the matter he told
me that he had a hospital appointment the following morning.
Later the following day I got a phone call from a mutual friend to say that my mate Ronnie had been diagnosed with advanced liver cancer.
On arrival at the hospital the doctor informed us that he had about 12 weeks to live and that they erwe going to keep him in for the rest of the week
to stabilise him and then he could go home. We asked the doctor if he would be fit to travel as Ronnie lived alone and we were moving from Liverpool
to Anglesey and wanted to take care of him during his final time. the doc thought this would be a good idea so we told Ronnie that he was moving with
us. This made him very happy as he was obviously concered as to what was going to happen to him.
Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately but the details of his condition are not important to the narrative here) Ronnie didn't even last the
week.
It transpired that Ronnie had made me his executor, so it fell on me to sort out the bank, his landlord, his estate and his funeral arrangements. The
later was not so simple.
Let me give you some background about Ronnie as it it is relevant.
Ronnie was the most well educated man that I have ever met and possibly one of the nicest human beings to grace the planet. He was not formally
educated with a string of qualifications but could hold a meaningful conversation on almost any subject that you could care to name; physics,
chemistry, botany, biology, electronics, electrical engineering, building work, he had a mind like a huge sponge. He also was interested in various
esoteric subjects; astrology, tarot, spiritualism. He tried to interest me in the latter, with zero success. He was a real cartoon typr inventor. When
he had abee in his bonnet about a new project he would forget to eat and change his clothes (he would often work around the clock and cat-nap). He
would tie his trousers up with a piece of wire because he could be bothered looking for a belt if he was particularly busy.
We had a standing joke with Ronnie. If he went out anywhere he always found money in the street. Usually only coppers but always something. On his way
home he would call in to ours for a brew and a chat and give my wife whatever money he had found to 'feed her pigs'. My wife collected
china pig money boxes at the time.
As I said Ronnie was a spiritualist, so now I have to organise a funeral and don't have a clue as to how spiritualists go about it. I went to
see his old landlady who was also a spititualis to ask her to contact their 'minister' and see if they would officiate. She came back to
me to inform me that their minister was on holiday but the church had been in touch with someone from the St.Helens church and they would be willing
to travel to conduct the service. Job done.
So, it's 2:00pm on a sunny spring day and a small group of us, my wife, my sons, a couple of friends and myuself, are stood outside the crem
waiting to go in, for Ronnie's service. Suddenly Ronnie's mate garbed my arm and pionted towards part of the gardens surrounding the Crem.
Standing next to a small conifer, about 20 yards away, is what looked like Ronnie's double. Only this guy is dressed in a three piece pin stripe
suit and looking like a merchant banker. After the initial shock, I think ,ah this must be Ronnie's brother, the one that I couldn't find.
I walked towards him to invite him to join us. As I started walking towards him he smiled at me and turned to the right and stepped behind the
conifer. I assumed that he was coming around the tree to meet me. Exept that when I get there, there is nowher for anyone to stand and nowhere for
antone to walk as it is all solid shrubbery about 5 yards deep all around the tree. That's when the hair came up on my neck. Especially as
everyone had seen'Ronnie', as solid as granite, not some wispy apparition.
We all went into the crem and had the service. When we came out we are all stood around waiting for the cars. The lady who had conducted the service
came out and asked my wife "Who is John"? My wife pointed to me and said "That's my husband, he is standing over there".
I was stood slightly apart from the others as I wanted a moment alone and I was crying. I had just lost a very close friend. She came up to me and
said " I have a message from Ronnie, did you see him"? Here we go I thought, some well meaning claptrap. While I was realising that she
had just asked me if I had seen him, she said "I have just seen this on the floor and Ronnie told me to pick it up and give it to you, as you
would understand"! She then gave me a five pence piece and asked me if I new what it meant. You should have seen the looks I got as I burst out
laughing.
The second incident took place in July 2008 as my wife lay in hospital dying.
You will need a little background to this too.
Both Mo and I had been married before and both had children from those marriages. So my eldest son is from my first marriage and my youngest son is
from Mo's first marriage.
So we are around Mo's bed, the boys on either side holding her hands and I am at the foot of the bed stroking her feet. Her brother was sat
beside me.My youngets son has been complaining of a severe headache all morning and he said that he had to go out for a smoke and some fresh air.
After ten minutes he did not come back so I told Mo that I was just going out to check on our youngest and would only be gone a few seconds. The
outside door was only a few feet from Mo's room. When I got outside my youngest son is distraught. I ask how he is holding up and he said
" My head is wrecked Dad. I don't understand, my Mum is in there dying and have a blinding headache but I feel incredibly excited".
This through me to say the least but not as much as what he said next. He suddenly looked at me and said "I know what it is, it's our
Joanne! She is excited because Mum is coming." Now that shook me ridgid. Joanne was Mo's daughter from her first marriage. She died when
she was three years old due to medical negligence. My youngest son could not possibly remeber her as she was older that him and we never spoke of her
to him. Mo got too distraught and only ever spoke about her at birthadys and Christmas and then only to me.
I looked at my son and said "Don't tell me tell your Mum". we ran back inside and I asked my eldest and her brother if they would
give Mo and my youngest a moment alone. I then told my wife that he had something to tell her.
When we came back in Mo had a beautiful smile on her face and quietly went to sleep and slid away.
This has not made a 'believer' out of me because I don't believe, I know.
It made the loss of my lovely lady easier to bear after the initial insanity of grief had eased off. Because now I can look at photos of Mo and smile,
instead of feeling like I have just been stabbed.
So this is why I have no fear of death, in fact I am quite looking forward to being with my soul mate again.
OK, you asked, so I told you.
Make of it what you will.
[Edited on 6/11/10 by Confused but excited.]
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keith777
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| posted on 6/11/10 at 07:09 PM |
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wow !!
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blakep82
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| posted on 7/11/10 at 12:36 PM |
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wow! i reallyt don't know what to say by any of that, but that is amazing. see, there's no way that would have been a trick of the eye,
and as you said you weren't asleep. put a shiver up my back!
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Peteff
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| posted on 7/11/10 at 02:43 PM |
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Our kitchen is haunted. The other day I put the kettle on and went and sat down in the living room and when I went back the kettle had been
mysteriously switched off :O
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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woodster
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| posted on 7/11/10 at 05:43 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by steve m
"I'm completely open to the concept... nay probability... that there are other life forms out in the Universe! "
absoloutley, how can we be so conceted, that we are the only inteligent (some of us) life in our universe
Steve
I think it would be more amazing if it turned out we were on our own in the universe as for ghosts why not lots of people including my dad have seen
strange things.
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Davegtst
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| posted on 8/11/10 at 09:01 AM |
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Years ago when i lived at my mums i had a very strange encounter. I used to get the feeling someone was in the room with me but there was no-one
there. One night i was asleep in bed with the bedroom door shut. I woke up to the door being opened by an what looked like an old womans bony hand.
It pushed the door open about 6 inches and stayed there for about a minute then went away. I was absolutly crapping myself as only me and my parents
were at home and it definatly wasn't my parent's hands. I looked through the open door and there was nothing there at all. After that
the feeling someone was with me dissapeared. Still makes me go cold thinking about it. People may say it's your mind playing tricks on you but
i was there and have no doubt it was real.
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