Westy1994
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| posted on 17/7/12 at 02:06 PM |
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It would be great if we could use black and silver plates. They would look perfect on mine.
According to VOSA you can, but we seem to have a C& U issue now.................
ETA
Not content with VOSA, I have just emailed the DVLA as well, since they are part government body that wrote the C&U regs.
I have called a few 'plate' makers, all of them say they are allowed and have had no one saying they got pulled for having them fitted.
[Edited on 17/7/12 by Westy1994]
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loggyboy
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| posted on 18/7/12 at 10:27 AM |
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As I suspected, and they agree with what Westy has said, it may be DVLA issue, will be interesting to hear their reply.
Dear Mr Garside,
Thank you for your email enquiry dated 16th July 2012, concerning number
plates.
VOSA are only able to advise on the MOT requirements for a vehicle.
However, just because a vehicle passes an MOT doesn't necessarily mean that
it is road legal as it is just a basic roadworthiness test.
To enquiry whether these number plates are legal for your vehicle you would
need to contact the DVLA as they are responsible for overseeing the number
plate legislation in the UK. Please find their contact details below:
Follow link for email details: www.direct.gov.uk/emaildvla
Telephone: 0300 790 6802 for vehicle queries.
I hope this information has assisted you with your enquiry, but if you have
any further questions please do not hesitate to contact us again.
Kind Regards
Rebecca
Customer Service Centre
VOSA Operations Directorate
Tel: 0300 123 9000
[Edited on 18/7/12 by loggyboy]
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Westy1994
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| posted on 18/7/12 at 11:03 AM |
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Yes, not only did they fail to tell me any of that in my first email ( see page one for those who have not read it) but they are rather lazy with
emails... All they did was change the name on the Dear [name here] , lol... I got the exact some worded email
I did warn VOSA they would be getting more mails about this situation, so I reckon they have taken extra care with the response, as they could have
quite easily included that into their previous email from yesterday.
This is all rather a mess would not not agree, with one body saying it is legal for one thing and (subject to confirmation) another body saying the
opposite, you would have thought in the 21st Century that all these folks would talk to each other, and have their respective rules and regs to hand.
Surely my first email gave VOSA my intention to find out if this was legal or not?, or are they too blinkered to see anything else.
So it all hinges on what the DVLA say now.
Rich
[Edited on 18/7/12 by Westy1994]
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 18/7/12 at 11:10 AM |
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I don't think it's too messy at all really, the different tests and applications have a massive variety of possible configurations. Each
overseeing authority has it's own priority and ultimately the only thing that matters is what the DVLA say. I found similar with the engine
age/emissions situation - two different requirements depending on which authoority you contact - but that's because each has their own target.
So long as you can see what's required you have to make your own choice. You're designing/building a car, it's not easy and it
requires proper knowledge of the laws - which takes time and effort - don't be too hard on them.
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 18/7/12 at 11:15 AM |
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Its not to do with the emmsions note, its to do with the areas in bold I highlighted, as in how a car is treated for its 'first used on
date'
No, but people on other forums seem to be jumping to such conclusions. People read into it what they want to read.
FWIW I think all of these are pretty clear, it's just the end user is not clear in what they're looking for. The section you quoted pretty
catagorically covers the rules as to what is applicable to which cars at MOT time (which is notably different from IVA time).
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Westy1994
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| posted on 18/7/12 at 11:22 AM |
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Yes I am aware of that, but given this is a number plate issue, and what are number plates for?, as far as I know they are to identify your car should
someone have reason to check it's legality etc whilst being driven on a public road. If you weren't using any public roads you would not
need a plate anyway.
So, currently, VOSA say YES to it passing an MOT, but why, if it now looks like it is illegal to use on a road and since that is where a number plate
has its use , whats the point in having that ruling at all. Do you see my point?.
I just feel there are too many rules that have too many conflicts in them, that's all.
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loggyboy
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| posted on 18/7/12 at 11:25 AM |
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Whats even sillier, is that if you were to run B&W plates and a knowledgable plod stopped you for them, it would no doubt result in the issue of a
VDR (Vehicle Defect Rectifcation), which would need to be stamped by an MoT station to say you had fixed the concern.. who would say they are fine!
lol
Mistral Motorsport
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Westy1994
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| posted on 18/7/12 at 11:28 AM |
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LOL, that is a very good point, I had not thought of that situation.....
What a stupid stupid country we live in.
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Westy1994
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| posted on 18/7/12 at 02:28 PM |
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Ok, well at last we have a definitive answer.
Although I think the guy that mailed me thought I wanted an age related plate - which I dont.
I have also written back explaining the points we have posted about here, not sure if that one will get answered really, but still.
Here is what DVLA's take is on the situation.
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Thank you for your email received on 17/7/12. Your email reference number is XXXXXX.
If your vehicle is currently registered with a "Q" registration number, it would not be possible for you to display the black and silver
style number plate. This is because a "Q" plate is assigned to a vehicle that did not have sufficient evidence of its age at the time of
registration.
We would first need evidence of the date the vehicle was manufactured in order to look into issuing the vehicle with an age related number. This would
have to show the vehicle was built before January 1st 1973. If we are able to successfully issue an age related number, you would be able to get the
black and silver number plates made for the vehicle.
To obtain this evidence, you will need to contact the Manufacturer of the vehicle, or an Owners / Enthusiast Club.
You should give them as much information as possible about the vehicle and request proof of the vehicles age on headed paper.
You may send this dating evidence to your nearest DVLA Local Office with your V5C Registration certificate and a covering letter. You should also
include your MOT test certificate and a clear copy of your tax disc, as these will need to be re printed should your application be successful.
you will receive correspondence from the DVLA Local Office within 2 weeks.
You may obtain a V765/1 List Of Vehicle Ownership Clubs from www.direct.gov.uk/motoringforms
You can find the address for your nearest DVLA Local Office at www.direct.gov.uk/dvlalocal or by telephoning 0300 123 1277 (you will be asked to give
a post code)
Do not reply to this email. If you wish to contact us again about this response then please use our Reply Form or copy and paste the following URL in
to your browser:
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Maybe someone who is a member of the WSCC can cross post this thread so other folks can see exactly what the law is on this matter.
I have to say , and I did write it on my OP that I did think this may have been incorrect information, but I never take anything I read on the
internet as gospel and prefer to get the info from those who wrote the rules, sadly the rules are somewhat garbled and confusing which is why I wanted
to pursue this matter.
Oh and I cancelled the plate order BTW, lol...
Matter closed as far as I see it.
Rich
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loggyboy
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| posted on 18/7/12 at 02:30 PM |
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If it was me and I really wanted them, I would just get them, I honestly think the chances of anything happening is slim to none, and even if they
did, the standard fine for displaying an incorrect plate is only a few quid with no points.
Mistral Motorsport
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Davegtst
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| posted on 18/7/12 at 02:36 PM |
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Booooo thats a shame,
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Westy1994
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| posted on 18/7/12 at 02:39 PM |
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I was never overly worried about getting any, just would have been nice, I think you may be right, the chances are small of getting caught, but what
this has shown , is that as far as legallity is concerned the MOT is a waste of time, I know it is more to do with safety and rightly so, but to allow
a number plate to pass a test and yet when you drive it out of the MOT bay onto the road you are breaking the law, it makes no sense.
I took the tintop out just before, and was overtaken by 6 bikers all with under size plates, I know I had those when I had a bike and never got
caught, the difference with that is that at MOT time you put your 'big' plate back on, then afterwards change it back.. The black /silver
plate issue is nothing like that.
At least we know where we all stand now.
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Dopdog
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| posted on 18/7/12 at 03:51 PM |
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I had a B/W plate on my old tin top and got stopped for it. had to put standard colors on as it was after the date mentioned.
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vanepico
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| posted on 18/7/12 at 05:28 PM |
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Someone had a grey and black one on some generic people carrier at my halls of residence, it was 706** or something along those lines, 5 numbers.
Deffo wasn't old enough from what you're saying
When you email the government places, they are always careful about wording the responses, I sent an email to them about A Frames, they say "Our
view is that" and "It is our understanding". This coming from the people who make up the rules, and enforce them? WTF!
This will almost certainly be so when traffic cops pull you over and you show them this they will point out that it is only their
'understanding'. It is a bit pathetic really, no one trusts anyone's word legally, and it obviously goes to show that the traffic
cops get it wrong quite a lot too.
[Edited on 18/7/12 by vanepico]
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Westy1994
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| posted on 18/7/12 at 05:56 PM |
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It's hardly suprising they get things wrong, you only have to read this thread to see how stupid the rules are.
Quite by chance I was browsing PH and found a post about some kitcar that could not be identified, I decided to check out what folks were saying it
was using google images, and what should pop up but a photo on this very site of the car in question - and see what sort of plate it has......
Now there must be lots of folks running around with these on, so why have DVLA not asked VOSA to ammend their own rules?.
Car photo here
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