Irony
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| posted on 20/1/14 at 08:32 AM |
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Originally posted by craig1410
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Originally posted by Irony
After being a hardcore apple user for 15 years I just won't touch their iOS devices. To many restrictions on what you can and cannot do. If
your a everyday user then iOS is fine, if your a power user the I phones/iPads are almost impossible without jailbraking them.
[Edited on 18/1/14 by Irony]
What a load of bollocks, I'm a "power user" (software consultant) and iOS is perfectly fine without jail breaking and at least you
don't have all your personal data stolen and exploited as you have with a lot of Android apps.
What is a "power user" these day anyway? lol
C.
Pffffft - I used macs all day long. I specialise in super sized graphics, presentations and 3D design. When I want to transfer a large document
to a iPAD I struggle because of all the apple restrictions. I don't use my iPAD I get out my ANDROID tablet. When I transfer it to a ANDROID
tablet I just use a USB memory stick.
I want to use my tablet to display a presentation that somebody else has created. It's a large file and they send it on a CD. My iTunes
account is on my home computer and I'm at work. Also the presentation is in powerpoint. Again the iPAD gets put away.
As people at work aways have there iPads slaved to there home computers moving large files to them is a nightmare.
For a software consultant you seem pretty unaware of the restrictions that iOS place on its users.
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craig1410
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| posted on 20/1/14 at 10:31 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Irony
quote:
Originally posted by craig1410
quote:
Originally posted by Irony
After being a hardcore apple user for 15 years I just won't touch their iOS devices. To many restrictions on what you can and cannot do. If
your a everyday user then iOS is fine, if your a power user the I phones/iPads are almost impossible without jailbraking them.
[Edited on 18/1/14 by Irony]
What a load of bollocks, I'm a "power user" (software consultant) and iOS is perfectly fine without jail breaking and at least you
don't have all your personal data stolen and exploited as you have with a lot of Android apps.
What is a "power user" these day anyway? lol
C.
Pffffft - I used macs all day long. I specialise in super sized graphics, presentations and 3D design. When I want to transfer a large document
to a iPAD I struggle because of all the apple restrictions. I don't use my iPAD I get out my ANDROID tablet. When I transfer it to a ANDROID
tablet I just use a USB memory stick.
I want to use my tablet to display a presentation that somebody else has created. It's a large file and they send it on a CD. My iTunes
account is on my home computer and I'm at work. Also the presentation is in powerpoint. Again the iPAD gets put away.
As people at work aways have there iPads slaved to there home computers moving large files to them is a nightmare.
For a software consultant you seem pretty unaware of the restrictions that iOS place on its users.
Are you seriously telling me you are a "power user" and yet you have been unable to find a way to display a powerpoint presentation on an
iPad and yet you somehow manage to do so on your Android tablet? If so then check out
https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/slideshark-presentation-app/id471369684?mt=8 for just one of numerous apps which do just this.
For file transfer, try using dropbox.com to send files wirelessly to your iPad. Unless your ANDROID (why the caps?) device has a built in CD player
then presumably you used a PC/Mac to read the CD. So, just drag the file into dropbox and it will magically appear on your iPad. Simple and far more
convenient than USB sticks etc. You can also use Goodreader which can become an upload target over WiFi so you can easily upload files to it. You can
also use FileBrowser to download files from network file servers to your iOS devices.
You don't give enough detail on what the file type of your super-sized graphics/presentations/3D design are but I'd be very surprised if
there wasn't an easy way to open the on the iPad. I'm happy to help if I can.
Regarding iTunes, I stopped syncing my iOS devices to iTunes over 2 years ago when iOS 5 came out. The only time I connect my iPad/iPhone to my Mac
now is to upload developer builds of iOS for app testing. Also, iTunes in the cloud means you can import/export/consume your content from any of your
devices. Also, I don't understand why you would be importing a Powerpoint presentation into iTunes. Assuming it was actually audio or video
content then why not just play it directly from dropbox on the iPad? You don't need to import media to iTunes just to play it you know.
Let me know if you want help as the above use-cases seem pretty straightforward to accomplish on any tablet, Apple or otherwise. Maybe you're a
bit out of date.
Cheers,
Craig.
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scudderfish
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| posted on 20/1/14 at 12:35 PM |
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Originally posted by craig1410
I've never looked before and serial comms to megasquirt is hardly Apple's core customer, but a cursory search on the web revealed that
iPad's can indeed communicate via serial interfaces. Here's the first link I found ( http://www.get-console.com ). In a more general
sense, I use several iOS applications to talk to my car's OBD computer via bluetooth or WiFi and these work very well indeed. I have no wish to
go back to serial comms when there are much better options available today.
Development environments which produce "compiled code" - hmm, well given that an awful lot of code these days (probably the majority in
fact) is not "compiled" per se, I'd say this was an edge case. I do most of my development these days using Ruby, Ruby on Rails,
Javascript, Coffescript, HTML5 and CSS3 and I use the iPad actively as a test device, or to connect to remote servers and edit code or to run
automated test suites live while I'm developing on my Macbook Pro. Tools like Coda and Diet Coda can be used very effectively to carry out web
development using nothing but the iPad. In fact I did this on a long flight recently where I wrote a whole website while offline. I then just clicked
the upload button when I landed and it was all pushed to the web server via FTP. I think you'd be surprised just how much real work you can get
done with one of these "shiny toys" 
I use an Apple bluetooth keyboard with my iPad Air when I'm doing a lot of work on it, but it is by no means essential. However, when you are
being paid by the day as a professional developer, it makes sense to pay a few extra quid to maximise your productivity.
Anyway, I didn't mean to start another Apple/Android war. 
I was using Megasquirt as an example of usage that would be relevant to a number of people here, rather than the dull stuff that all tablets of
whatever OS can do.
The RS232 thing you linked to is actually a WiFi access point that exposes the serial port as a network socket. They have their own interesting
quirks when you try to do bi-directional comms with relation to packet size selection. I did find a proper cable
(http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/iPad-iphone-RS232-DB9-cable-/320953115630), but it is many multiples the cost of a regular USB adapter, and you have to
jailbreak the tablet to use it.
If you think the majority of the code out there is not compiled, then you are mistaken. C/C++/Objective C/Java etc al still form the backbone of
pretty much everything out there. Given the resource constraints of mobile devices, you have to compile down as close to the metal as possible if
you have anything which is performance critical. For Android that is Java running on a JIT VM, with call outs to C/C++ for the time critical stuff.
On iOS it will be Objective C.
None of the examples you've given cannot be done equally as well on an Android device, but the reverse is not true. Anyway I'm not going
to post further so whatever you say next wins the argument.
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craig1410
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| posted on 20/1/14 at 01:05 PM |
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Originally posted by scudderfish
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Originally posted by craig1410
I've never looked before and serial comms to megasquirt is hardly Apple's core customer, but a cursory search on the web revealed that
iPad's can indeed communicate via serial interfaces. Here's the first link I found ( http://www.get-console.com ). In a more general
sense, I use several iOS applications to talk to my car's OBD computer via bluetooth or WiFi and these work very well indeed. I have no wish to
go back to serial comms when there are much better options available today.
Development environments which produce "compiled code" - hmm, well given that an awful lot of code these days (probably the majority in
fact) is not "compiled" per se, I'd say this was an edge case. I do most of my development these days using Ruby, Ruby on Rails,
Javascript, Coffescript, HTML5 and CSS3 and I use the iPad actively as a test device, or to connect to remote servers and edit code or to run
automated test suites live while I'm developing on my Macbook Pro. Tools like Coda and Diet Coda can be used very effectively to carry out web
development using nothing but the iPad. In fact I did this on a long flight recently where I wrote a whole website while offline. I then just clicked
the upload button when I landed and it was all pushed to the web server via FTP. I think you'd be surprised just how much real work you can get
done with one of these "shiny toys"
I use an Apple bluetooth keyboard with my iPad Air when I'm doing a lot of work on it, but it is by no means essential. However, when you are
being paid by the day as a professional developer, it makes sense to pay a few extra quid to maximise your productivity.
Anyway, I didn't mean to start another Apple/Android war.
I was using Megasquirt as an example of usage that would be relevant to a number of people here, rather than the dull stuff that all tablets of
whatever OS can do.
The RS232 thing you linked to is actually a WiFi access point that exposes the serial port as a network socket. They have their own interesting
quirks when you try to do bi-directional comms with relation to packet size selection. I did find a proper cable
(http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/iPad-iphone-RS232-DB9-cable-/320953115630), but it is many multiples the cost of a regular USB adapter, and you have to
jailbreak the tablet to use it.
If you think the majority of the code out there is not compiled, then you are mistaken. C/C++/Objective C/Java etc al still form the backbone of
pretty much everything out there. Given the resource constraints of mobile devices, you have to compile down as close to the metal as possible if
you have anything which is performance critical. For Android that is Java running on a JIT VM, with call outs to C/C++ for the time critical stuff.
On iOS it will be Objective C.
None of the examples you've given cannot be done equally as well on an Android device, but the reverse is not true. Anyway I'm not going
to post further so whatever you say next wins the argument.
So, we've established that you can control serial devices from an iOS device and indeed there are multiple ways to achieve this. I'm well
aware that the one I posted was a WiFi dongle and it may or may not have quirks. You're wrong when you say you need to jailbreak though as
cables like this one (http://redpark.com/new-redpark-ios-lightning-serial-cable-connects-rs-232-devices-to-ipod-iphone-and-ipad/) come with an SDK to
let you create your own apps without the need to jailbreak.
As for compiled vs interpreted code, it's largely a moot point IMO. I develop in C/C++/Obj-C/VB/Java/Javascript/Ruby etc and some are compiled,
some are interpreted and some (like Java) are a bit of both. The lines are blurred with dynamic and JIT compilation and there are client and server
side build systems (eg. Jenkins) and source code control systems (e.g.. Git/Github) which make it very easy to make code changes, even in
"compiled" languages from a browser, tablet or even smartphone and have these changes deployed to a live system automatically. Yes, there
are areas where the type of compilation you are talking about still happens but I don't think the usefulness or otherwise of a tablet can be
gauged by that capability. Oh and by the way, I develop for iOS using Ruby not Objective C. See www.rubymotion.com if you're interested.
C.
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Irony
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| posted on 20/1/14 at 01:43 PM |
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Dropbox doesn't have the required speed or capacity when dealing with the sort of file sizes I deal with. I work with huge image files
sometimes over a gigabyte sometimes more. Dropbox is just not fast enough for this. Video files, animations, print ready PDFs all huge files that I
cannot seem to get on some of our staffs iPads.
I guess it must be the situation of my job that I constantly struggle to use iOS. I seem to be battling all the time with Apple restrictions
regarding file transfer. Not many people transfer as many GB of data that I do on a daily basis.
Powerpoint rarely works on either a iOS/ANDROID/Windows/Mac OS tablets perfectly to be honest. Complex presentations including complicated
animations, transitions, images, embedded video etc rarely come out okay when transferring cross platform.
I spent years telling everyone how brilliant Apple products are even through the dark years just before the first iMac came out. Only when I felt it
was justified however.........I nearly did the shocking thing of trading my Mac Pro for a Windows Desktop about a year ago. Now the new Mac Pro is
here I am a happy chappy again.
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craig1410
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| posted on 20/1/14 at 02:14 PM |
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Originally posted by Irony
Dropbox doesn't have the required speed or capacity when dealing with the sort of file sizes I deal with. I work with huge image files
sometimes over a gigabyte sometimes more. Dropbox is just not fast enough for this. Video files, animations, print ready PDFs all huge files that I
cannot seem to get on some of our staffs iPads.
I guess it must be the situation of my job that I constantly struggle to use iOS. I seem to be battling all the time with Apple restrictions
regarding file transfer. Not many people transfer as many GB of data that I do on a daily basis.
Powerpoint rarely works on either a iOS/ANDROID/Windows/Mac OS tablets perfectly to be honest. Complex presentations including complicated
animations, transitions, images, embedded video etc rarely come out okay when transferring cross platform.
I spent years telling everyone how brilliant Apple products are even through the dark years just before the first iMac came out. Only when I felt it
was justified however.........I nearly did the shocking thing of trading my Mac Pro for a Windows Desktop about a year ago. Now the new Mac Pro is
here I am a happy chappy again.
Is the problem "file transfer" or finding an app to view the transferred file correctly? I don't envy you having to deal with GB+
powerpoint files and wonder if there is a better option. Have you tried iBooks Author for example? It's a free Apple tool designed to create
iBooks compatible e-books. It has lots of options for embedding video and audio and images plus can render 3D animations. Here's the site:
http://www.apple.com/uk/ibooks-author/
Re dropbox, I've got a 100GB account so large files are less of a problem but I agree it can be slow to upload GB+ files. The other option as I
think I mentioned is a program like Goodreader which can act as a file server and allow you to upload files locally using just your web browser.
I've not tried it with GB+ powerpoint files but it certainly works with word documents and PDFs etc. I see no reason it won't work with
larger files.
So have you got a new Mac Pro then? If so then I'm a bit envious!  I just got myself a Macbook Pro Retina 15" with a few power ups as I
couldn't quite justify the cost of the Mac Pro for development work. If I was into 3D rendering or other CPU/GPU heavy tasks then I would
certainly have got one though but it would be wasted for what I use it for.
C.
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