Volvorsport
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| posted on 16/11/05 at 06:34 PM |
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hmmm , good arguments all round .
the msa book doesnt specify what those terms are , and if you build a single seater , you can put the engine where you like , unless it specifys
distances from axles relative to safety .
i dont suppose it matters whereabouts the engine is as long as thats taken into consideration in design .
Anyway , a TRUE mid engined car has the engine north south
And it has significant effects on gyration , a la 205t16 , until the changed the rotation of the crank .
so dont go yumping in an elise !!!
of course the lambo muira is another exception
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 16/11/05 at 09:01 PM |
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Spose that rules out a Ferrari Dino then? The ultimate 'rear' engined car? Doesn't bode well for a Lancia Stratos either 
If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
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Volvorsport
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| posted on 16/11/05 at 10:55 PM |
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i think when i say this , its because of the glut of so called MID engine specials that arrived - using the engine and gearbox from a wrong wheel
drive car , and then calling them authoritavely MID engined .
Im sure those layouts did have the engine a respectable amount in front of the rear axle .
The first motor to really pester me with this notion was the MGF .
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NS Dev
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| posted on 16/11/05 at 11:02 PM |
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I think the notion is ok.
The 205 T16 was a bit more tricky as it was 4wd too so had more rotational inertia in the same axis, i..e 4 driven wheels.
I won't pretend to understand how this affected the car but it certainly did!
Certainly our nova suffered no yumping probs, as long as it's driver didn't decide to go off roading in the middle of rallies!
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Rorty
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| posted on 17/11/05 at 04:32 AM |
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I don't understand why this old chestnut keeps sticking its ugly head up.
Front-engined means the engine is at the front - in front of the front axle.
Rear-engined means the engine is at the rear - behind the rear axle.
So it naturally follows that mid-engined means the engine is placed amidships - between the front and rear axles (if it's the other side of one
of the axles, then it would be front or rear-engined).
If you want to be really pedantic, like Aston Martin, then you could further describe an engine placed close to the rear of the front axle as front
mid- mounted.
It's a no-brainer. Now get back to building cars you lot! 
Cheers, Rorty.
"Faster than a speeding Pullet".
PLEASE DON'T U2U ME IF YOU WANT A QUICK RESPONSE. TRY EMAILING ME INSTEAD!
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tadltd
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| posted on 22/11/05 at 01:12 AM |
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Having been an instructor in a "mid-engined" Ariel Atom for track-day drivers i can quite assure you that the car was VERY tail happy,
catching out all and sundry with it's waywardness (novices and experienced racers alike). It didn't help that it hadn't been set-up
properly, but even when we improved it, it still wanted to swap ends.
Too much weight over the rear wheels, you see... (Honda VTEC FWD engine + trans...) so it was definitely REAR engined.
Best Regards,
Steve.
www.turnerautosport.com
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Volvorsport
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| posted on 22/11/05 at 06:18 PM |
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in total agreement steve!!!!
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