MikeR
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| posted on 16/3/07 at 06:07 PM |
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personally i wouldn't go for the kink, i like the plain view - i think it looks nicer than the welded bit in the middle. If you can get rid of
the colour distortion then i might change my mind.
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 16/3/07 at 06:11 PM |
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Paul,
Are you planning to grind off the weld on the angled bits? That would make the progression down the bars more 'logical' (if that's
the word!)
I do like it though...
David
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907
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| posted on 16/3/07 at 06:21 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
Paul,
Are you planning to grind off the weld on the angled bits? That would make the progression down the bars more 'logical' (if that's
the word!)
I do like it though...
David
I was going to leave the welds on. (I like welds)
It doesn't grind or polish very well so I thought I'd be lazy.
Just a point on air flow. Being a +4 my hole is bigger than everyone else's.
Paul G
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Gaz 1977
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| posted on 16/3/07 at 06:24 PM |
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quote:
[Being a +4 my hole is bigger than everyone else's.
Paul G
I think you should grind the welds off. 
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the_parson
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| posted on 16/3/07 at 10:21 PM |
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Nice work Paul.
I have nothing to add other than to snigger at the bigger hole comment.
Have you done six impossible things before breakfast?
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907
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| posted on 17/3/07 at 05:23 AM |
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Firstly, thanks for all the comments.
Secondly, please excuse the grotty photoshop pic below.
As you can see, my son obviously doesn't get his 'pooter skills from me.
If I was to use 5 bars spaced equally, the intersection of the bars and the edge of the nose hole, (my +4 hole )
starts to become hard to shape, and to bolt in position. (black arrows in pic)
Also, they start to lose uniformity, the top one especially becomes much shorter when viewed from above.
I'm trying to keep the car looking wide & low, and have been told by the "crew" at Newcastle that vertical lines don't
do this and horizontal lines do, hence horizontal bars in the grill.
Three bars just don't look enough, and five are hard to make and fit, hence I ended up with four. Sort of grillage and +4 bars.
(Who can laser cut me a Sutol +4 badge?  )
It seems a shame not to use the small mesh as it cost me, sorry, my "guvnor", an arm and a leg.
At the moment it's held in with cleco's, but if I use M3 nuts & screws it will be dead easy to change.
I think I'll use it for now and keep an eye out for larger mesh for the future.
I'll pop out and bend the bottom bar as soon as daylight breaks and post another pic. (Qually was exciting wasn't it)
Thanks again
Paul G
 
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locostv8
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| posted on 17/3/07 at 07:15 AM |
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Paul
How about a single floating bar that sticks out just a bit from the nose. It could be U shaped and the legs attach to the frame thru the mesh.
This would provide minimal bumper function and if polished stainless should look nice as well.
http://wrangler.rutgers.edu/gallery2/v/7slotgrille/hssss/
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907
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| posted on 17/3/07 at 08:09 AM |
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Hi again
This pic shows my plan for fixing the bars in.
It's one of the offcuts with an end plate and an M4 thread that I will Tig in.
About 10 amps and a steady hand required. Oo err.
Paul G
 
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907
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| posted on 17/3/07 at 08:30 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by locostv8
Paul
How about a single floating bar that sticks out just a bit from the nose. It could be U shaped and the legs attach to the frame thru the mesh.
This would provide minimal bumper function and if polished stainless should look nice as well.
I am still undecided about the number of bars.
I'll probably sit on this for a week or two and hope I get a flash of inspiration.
I seem to sit on everything, which is why the car never seems to progress. 
It's difficult to show metal finish in a picture but the material I've used is very much a satin grey.
I thought this would contrast with the polished ally of the nose. That was the plan anyway.
The pic below shows the mod to the bottom bar as suggested earlier in the thread.
Cheers
Paul G
 
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 17/3/07 at 10:16 AM |
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Paul,
I'm going to be a pain (for a change?  ) and dissent from the collective opinion.
Everything about your car's bodywork is curved, and I'm not sure that these angular bars really match - but I'd probably have to see
it "in the flesh" to get the whole picture.
I'm wondering whether gently curved bars would look nicer. However, I do appreciate that they'd be a PITA to produce...
David
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907
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| posted on 17/3/07 at 12:51 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
Paul,
I'm going to be a pain (for a change? ) and dissent from the collective opinion.
Everything about your car's bodywork is curved, and I'm not sure that these angular bars really match - but I'd probably have to see
it "in the flesh" to get the whole picture.
I'm wondering whether gently curved bars would look nicer. However, I do appreciate that they'd be a PITA to produce...
David
Your not being a pain David (for a change? )
If the nose is viewed from above, the top is pointed and the bottom is flat.
The theory is that the bars transform from one shape to the other.
Atb
Paul G
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Gaz 1977
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| posted on 17/3/07 at 01:44 PM |
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grill design
I would still be tempted to use an odd number. cut them out in card and have a play. You can use a curve over the length of the spars and tighten
the rad at the centre so the the spars are still relate to the point of the nose. It would be nice to see an image of the whole car as it is hard to
give oppions when looking at a small part.
 
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907
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| posted on 17/3/07 at 09:52 PM |
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I'm afraid I couldn't make those Gaz.
Even if I had a set of purpose built ring rollers I think they would ripple.
Nice pic though.
Atb
Paul G
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 17/3/07 at 10:04 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by 907
I'm afraid I couldn't make those
But you're our metalworking hero! You can't admit defeat...
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907
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| posted on 17/3/07 at 10:15 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
quote:
Originally posted by 907
I'm afraid I couldn't make those
But you're our metalworking hero! You can't admit defeat...
I give up
 
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 17/3/07 at 10:20 PM |
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locostv8
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| posted on 18/3/07 at 07:30 AM |
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Could you not fab them by bending round tube then flattening it? I would think you would have to overbend because there should be some spring back.
http://wrangler.rutgers.edu/gallery2/v/7slotgrille/hssss/
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907
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| posted on 18/3/07 at 09:27 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by locostv8
Could you not fab them by bending round tube then flattening it? I would think you would have to overbend because there should be some spring back.
Hi (?? Jim ??)
I've never had any luck when flattening thin tube.
It seems to go pointed at the edge and collapses in the middle as in the pic.
Paul G
 
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Keith Weiland
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| posted on 18/3/07 at 11:32 AM |
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I like the look as it is but I would make the Mesh louvered and hide the gaps behind the grill bars like so.
 
NoseCone Mockup
That way you would get the airflow without changing the look much.
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907
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| posted on 18/3/07 at 12:52 PM |
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Ooooooo.
I like that idea Keith.
If flow is a problem then that's the way I'll go if I may.
Cheers
Paul G
p.s. Got any more cracking ideas like that?
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John Bonnett
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| posted on 18/3/07 at 02:00 PM |
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Hi Paul
I've used similar material and have been able to introduce a gentle curve using the shrinker. I hope the picture will show that there is very
little crinkling or distortion. The underhang on my slats is onl 8mm so the shrinker has sufficient material to get a grip on. I was wondering if you
could do the same if you felt you needed more curvature.
alb
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 18/3/07 at 02:30 PM |
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I don't think that Paul needs much curvature (er - I mean that Paul's grille bars need much...) so that may work.
DJ
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locostv8
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| posted on 18/3/07 at 03:27 PM |
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I like Kieth's idea and perhaps the flattening of tubing could be used to an advantage. Create the slats of mesh with attaching tabs. Bend the
tubes to shape ahd flatten then cut down the middle attaching the tube to the slat with the open area.
Jim
http://wrangler.rutgers.edu/gallery2/v/7slotgrille/hssss/
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907
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| posted on 18/3/07 at 08:28 PM |
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Hi All
Stepping back to the planning stage (2 years ago) of the shape of my nose my son and I envisaged a pointy front.
I dragged out an old pic of the foam model we made at the time. (see below)
I don't think that curved grill bars go with the pointed nose.
Most of the time our cars are viewed from close quarters at shows, pub car parks etc, and with a car as low as a seven
the view from above is as important as any.
It's for this reason (and the fact that I can't make the curved ones) that I'm going with decreasing angled bars.
One problem with an all ally body is that it does look the same all over, hence the contrasting metal finish of the bars.
That's why I've fitted wheels that have black centres, just to reduce the "shiny all over" effect.
Many thanks for ALL the input, even though I have only incorporated some of it.
Cheers
Paul G
 
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 19/3/07 at 10:53 AM |
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Paul,
When it comes to the crunch, it's your car and you can do with it whatever you wish!
I still think the welds should come off though, even if it does make polishing a pain... I am quite sure that it will look a lot more
'integrated' with that done.
Can't wait to see it all finished.
cheers,
David
[Edited on 19/3/07 by David Jenkins]
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