loggyboy
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| posted on 16/9/17 at 10:29 AM |
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Originally posted by Oi_Oi_Savaloy
I'm hoping that the VIN number on the striker isn't the same as on the current v5c - if it is that's going to cause me a problem and
I'm not going to buy it - I'm not getting into grinding off stamped vin numbers etc etc. I didn't ask (and check) about whether the
v5c vin number matches the one (if there is one) on the car.
I'm hoping it doesn't - I want a clean (free of vin stamps) so I can retire/scrap the current v5 it's hiding under, prepare the car,
in a legitimate manner for it's IVA, and do right by the Dutton owners, 'legitimise' my car for road-use and carry on with life.
I'm not going to buy it if I can't do that.
I didn't notice a chassis plate but then again I didn't particularly look for one. Perhaps I shouldn't admit that but there we go.
But this way I get to do three things - retire the wrong the V5 documents, get my striker IVA'd and correctly registered and update/upgrade the
car as we go through it at an initial price I can afford and on a basis, going forward, that I can cope with.
Best to start a fresh. Write to the dvla explaiming you have scrapped the car, send back the V5c with the letter.
Grind off or cut out which ever VIN is on the chassis and remove the plate. Apply to the dvla for a new VIN and get that stamped in to the chassis (or
stamped in to plate and weld to chassis, plenty of threads covering this) make up a new manufacturer plate with new VIN. Apply for IVA and register
car as a new Q plate.
Mistral Motorsport
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Toys2
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| posted on 16/9/17 at 12:24 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by coyoteboy
quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
I'm confused by your question! It's very simple, almost all Duttons will have a Q plate since they were mostly made in an era prior to
the SVA when a Q plate was allocated to kit cars, the 'Q' indicating the car was of indefinite origin. The only exception would be
Duttons that illegally retained the donor registration - the DVLA had an amnesty prior to the SVA to get these cars correctly registered.
The whole point of the ringing exercise is to (illegally) avoid the work and expense of an SVA/IVA, so people buy a cheap Dutton and simply use
it's VIN/Plates/V5. You'd obviously want to buy a Dutton on a Q plate for this purpose, since if it still had it's original donor
reg it would be useless to you.
This was the bit I was not aware of. Currently you couldn't the systems are in place to stop this, I was not aware of the historic system
allowing it.
Unfortunately, it wasn't the whole story as I replied earlier - copied below
""That's not strictly true, pre SVA there was a points system, if you had the V5 from a single donor and could demonstrate that
enough of the major components came from it, then you could keep the original reg, the make and model on the V5 would be changed. IIRC you'd
need Engine, gearbox, suspension and steering. The registration process just needed that the kit passed an MOT and a 10 minute inspection by the DVLA
to confirm that the description was accurate and numbers matched
Obviously this doesn't change the "ringer" part of the story, but it is possible to have a legal none Q Dutton ""
Actually it was always illegal, pre SVA there were 4 choices
- keep the original reg/make/model = Illegal but it rarely got picked up as electronic systems weren't in place to catch you out - eg MOT
- Write the the DVLA and have the Model changed - eg Ford Escort became Ford Sports Special, Marginal, probably illegal
- Build, MOT, DVLA Check > Q reg if source was indeterminate
- Build, MOT, DVLA Check > Age related or New reg if source of parts were proven and conditions met
So really, nothing's changed other than the DVLA check has turned into a Construction and Use test
Just one quirk, Before SVA came in (and for a short time after) there was an amnesty to get your car correctly registered, the rules were still the
same as above, but they were pretty lenient if you could prove that it had been on the road for some time, by using Tax disc's and MOT's
as evidence. So in that way, I agree, some dodgy cars could have gained a correct reg
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Oi_Oi_Savaloy
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| posted on 20/11/17 at 08:42 AM |
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It's been v quiet on this car buying front recently - mainly because the money I had for this car was in a 60 day notice account plus life got
in the way, as it does and am sure you all know.
I didn't buy the car.
I pulled out last night after quite alot of thought, re-reading the series of replies on here, meeting Andy (i bought the tyres from him that he
didn't want a couple of weeks ago) and basically spending some time actually thinking through the implications of what I was doing/really
capable of and what it might cost if the things that were wrong with the car post-initial IVA test. I'd sort of reconciled all this with the
argument that I'd simply just use it purely as a trackday car (putting it on the road, insured as a Dutton etc etc, simply wasn't on the
table).
I also had the headache of how I was actually going to retire /'scrap' the Dutton V5 too. I spoke to two scrap merchants and asked them
how much it was going to take for them to take the dutton v5 (without the actual vehicle of course) and 'scrap' the car. They both
wouldn't touch the concept tbf (even after I'd explained i was simply trying to make the car legitimate (as it were). Maybe if I'd
gone in person things would have been different but I didn't want to do that until I had the actual v5 in my possession.
I'd organised a trailer, got the ratchet straps, even found the time (I work in London, live in wales so trying to find an afternoon to go and
pick the car when the trailer was actually free had been a bit of a nightmare) but when push came to shove the IVA thing and it's implications
proved too much.
Thanks for everyone's advice on here - v much appreciated.
Some of you are going to say that I've dodged a bullet (and you're right in many ways) but I still regret giving it up, even after
I've written everything above. We've committed to putting the kids through a private school (our eldest needs help, our two youngest
would thrive in that environment) from September next year. Finding the money for that is going to be tough/nail biting tbh. We're probably
going to have to pull the money out of hte house or something - what I'm trying to say is that there's not going to be the money left over
to indulge in a third car for quite sometime I feel. As I said in my first post (I think!) timing was everything on this - it was now or never,
despite it being exactly the wrong car to buy!
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