tjoh84
|
| posted on 14/7/08 at 10:10 PM |
|
|
you where doing better than me lol
|
|
|
|
|
PAUL FISHER
|
| posted on 14/7/08 at 10:51 PM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by worX
There was one really quick Westie there - the green/black arches/full cage.
It was a track only car and he was running an overbored 1400 Busa, on slicks and it was in a different league to everything there!
Steve 
Just watched his video's,difficult to time his laps because of traffic,but timed one lap at 1 minute14/15 seconds,so only 1 to 2 seconds a lap
quicker than Andy D's laps in his son's zetec westfield,I think with the bec always sound like there going a lot faster,not always the
case.
|
|
|
worX
|
| posted on 15/7/08 at 04:06 AM |
|
|
Although I'd tend to agree with you Paul, re the BEC noise, he was two up (with a fair sized lad) all day and the stuff he was leaving standing
was impressive.
Whilst watching from the pitwall he was using his grip/slicks to good effect to get up to speed straight out the corners but he was going more than
just a few miles an hour faster in most places.
I was going to do the timing thing myself but didn't have time!
Steve
quote:
Originally posted by PAUL FISHER
Just watched his video's,difficult to time his laps because of traffic,but timed one lap at 1 minute14/15 seconds,so only 1 to 2 seconds a lap
quicker than Andy D's laps in his son's zetec westfield,I think with the bec always sound like there going a lot faster,not always the
case.
[Edited on 15/7/08 by worX]
|
|
|
Andy D
|
| posted on 15/7/08 at 12:48 PM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by PAUL FISHER
quote:
Originally posted by Andy D
quote:
Originally posted by worX
There was one really quick Westie there - the green/black arches/full cage.
It was a track only car and he was running an overbored 1400 Busa, on slicks and it was in a different league to everything there!
Steve
Bike engined Westy was in fact a Caterham, he's put a few vids up, one of them
HERE
And here's the third and probably last one from me. It's a couple of non too shabby clear-ish laps, Son's car with his old man at
the helm..
Clickety click
Nice smooth quick driving Andy,timed you at 1 minute 16 seconds both laps
Thanks Paul, to be honest I wasn't driving it like I stole it, more driving it like I'd have to fix it if I broke it! Didn't
use the whole 8000 available revs.. Pinto driving habits are hard to drop..
quote:
It's all smoke and mirrors! Just got to learm to drive it now.
Pap photo, but what was all that smoke? 
Come on Jubal, get off your sick bed and get some footage up! 
|
|
|
adithorp
|
| posted on 15/7/08 at 01:34 PM |
|
|
It just objected to being driven slow enough to be over taken by a bath tub!
Turned out to be that going through the corkscrew, oil was getting up the breather into the air box then in through the throttles and burning. Only
happened there. Cured it on the day with an Evian bottle (thanks Bigfoot), a zip tie and some gaffer tape; Instant catch tank!
adrian
|
|
|
Jubal
|
| posted on 16/7/08 at 09:50 AM |
|
|
Here's a couple of vids from me finally. Looks like Gezza and I need to find some time from somewhere compared with those westies or else
we've found the limits of our chassis!?
Following Terry:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=SLBRXBJLgpE
Following Gezza:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9YyAHnIVyH8
|
|
|
PAUL FISHER
|
| posted on 16/7/08 at 10:49 AM |
|
|
Enjoyed the busa R1 battle Derek,Gezza likes to slide the back end about on the busa,like you say a bit off the westy lads pace,some of that may
be down to tyres and set up,were you on slicks ?,it also must be your 1st time on the new circuit,I bet the next time you go you be even faster,I find
it takes at least 3 or 4 visits to a circuit to learn the lines,although there are some very good drivers who can learn a circuit in a dozen laps,it
takes most of us a bit longer looks great circuit though,its just a pity its so far away
[Edited on 19/05/04 by PAUL FISHER]
|
|
|
Jubal
|
| posted on 16/7/08 at 11:10 AM |
|
|
Both on R888s, so not full slicks like the westie guys. I have done the circuit before but with the blade engine. In my car I had some understeer on
turn in/mid corner and some power oversteer. I think I need to do some more setup work but I'm not sure how much time to invest in the Indy
chassis. I might just enjoy having more power than grip for a while and see what the year brings. All good fun!
|
|
|
Andy D
|
| posted on 16/7/08 at 01:52 PM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by Jubal
Both on R888s, so not full slicks like the westie guys. I have done the circuit before but with the blade engine. In my car I had some understeer on
turn in/mid corner and some power oversteer. I think I need to do some more setup work but I'm not sure how much time to invest in the Indy
chassis. I might just enjoy having more power than grip for a while and see what the year brings. All good fun!
Nice vids Derek, seeing all the arms and elbow work, it does look like you could do with a bit more rear end grip.
What size tyres are you on? Westys all seem to go best with 185 fronts and 205 rears. Have tried 205s on the front of my car, and it understeers,
and 185s on the back cant put the power down..
The second hand slicks we use dont allways give a lot more grip than 888s, think it depends on the day and the state of the slicks.. but at £10
to £20 per corner, they make economic sense!
|
|
|
Jubal
|
| posted on 16/7/08 at 03:35 PM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by Andy D
Nice vids Derek, seeing all the arms and elbow work, it does look like you could do with a bit more rear end grip.
What size tyres are you on? Westys all seem to go best with 185 fronts and 205 rears. Have tried 205s on the front of my car, and it understeers,
and 185s on the back cant put the power down..
The second hand slicks we use dont allways give a lot more grip than 888s, think it depends on the day and the state of the slicks.. but at £10
to £20 per corner, they make economic sense!
I have 195s all round. There wasn't a huge amount of rear end grip under power but I think my reaction to it (bearing in mind it's not a
quick rack) exaggerated things somewhat. What you can't really see on the vid is the understeer. At times I had understeer and oversteer at the
same time. That made for some twitchy arms!
I was also able to make the tyres go off after a long session. The (brand new that day) rears went bad after following Gezza (25 mins on track) and
again the next session. They came back after cooling down but it's a sign all's not well. I guess if you up the power then other things
need looking at in proportion. I'm just pleased it's going reliably now.
|
|
|
Andy D
|
| posted on 16/7/08 at 03:52 PM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by Jubal
quote:
Originally posted by Andy D
Nice vids Derek, seeing all the arms and elbow work, it does look like you could do with a bit more rear end grip.
What size tyres are you on? Westys all seem to go best with 185 fronts and 205 rears. Have tried 205s on the front of my car, and it understeers,
and 185s on the back cant put the power down..
The second hand slicks we use dont allways give a lot more grip than 888s, think it depends on the day and the state of the slicks.. but at £10
to £20 per corner, they make economic sense!
I have 195s all round. There wasn't a huge amount of rear end grip under power but I think my reaction to it (bearing in mind it's not a
quick rack) exaggerated things somewhat. What you can't really see on the vid is the understeer. At times I had understeer and oversteer at the
same time. That made for some twitchy arms!
I was also able to make the tyres go off after a long session. The (brand new that day) rears went bad after following Gezza (25 mins on track) and
again the next session. They came back after cooling down but it's a sign all's not well. I guess if you up the power then other things
need looking at in proportion. I'm just pleased it's going reliably now.
Think I'd be tempted to drop the fronts to 185s or even 175s as you've no weight on them, as a first step.. I know it sounds all arse
about face going narrower for more grip, but it does work.. Look at that Caterham pic I posted earlier, massive rears, but the fronts are skinny.
|
|
|
Gezza
|
| posted on 16/7/08 at 04:37 PM |
|
|
Great video Derek, you must have cleaned your lense, somthing i must learn to do!!! Anyway, sounds like slicks next
Oh and more power, cant have you keeping up like that haha, i am working on the fueling as we speak, its not getting up to max revs fast enough, think
its nearly there so i look forward to the next dual
gerry
|
|
|
Jubal
|
| posted on 16/7/08 at 05:08 PM |
|
|
I'll wear these suckers out first and think about it! The car was very grippy running rally tarmac tyres (Indysport) so I may go back to those.
worX has been u2u'ing telling me to go softer springs on the front. Lots to try! But nowhere booked to test yet. Boo.
|
|
|
tjoh84
|
| posted on 16/7/08 at 05:23 PM |
|
|
cheers for that upload derek liking both vids.
my spin seemed worse that taht when in car lol
|
|
|
Andy D
|
| posted on 16/7/08 at 05:28 PM |
|
|
quote:
But nowhere booked to test yet. Boo.
I know what you mean,..I've got to wait till this Friday before I can get back on track!  (Donington)
Re springs, obviously it all depends on individual car's geometry etc, but fwiw, son's zetec is on 400ib fronts and 280lb rears,
it's solid as a rock!
|
|
|
Jubal
|
| posted on 16/7/08 at 06:59 PM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by tjoh84
cheers for that upload derek liking both vids.
my spin seemed worse that taht when in car lol
The video is quite wide angle. Makes for a good field of view but it makes everything look slow.
|
|
|
