smart51
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| posted on 20/2/09 at 08:08 AM |
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Life expectancy on the hard shoulder - 23 minutes
This was written on Totalkitcar this morning. They claim that if you break down on the hard shoulder
and stay in your car, your life expectancy is 23 minutes.
Now I find this hard to accept. The implication is that your parked car will be crashed into fatally, the median time to death being 23 minutes. I
don't tracel on motorways weekly but I've done my fair share on them. I've never seen a car on the hard shoulder with someone piled
into the back of them. I've never seen people drift onto the hard shoulder in a way that would cause a crash if there's been a brake
down. I don't see vehicles on the hard shoulder with enough frequency to justify 23 minues even if they were all crashed into. Is this story
utter bull droppings?
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 20/2/09 at 08:11 AM |
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Er yeah. The only place iv seen a car hit another car on the hard shoulder is on them police camera things and most of the time there are only minor
casualties if that.
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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02GF74
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| posted on 20/2/09 at 08:15 AM |
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I think they got complete death confusedwith average recovery time.
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blakep82
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| posted on 20/2/09 at 08:15 AM |
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er, hmmm. i'm not convinced either. i've heard of plenty of crashes where people have been killed lately, but nothing to do with anyone on
the hard shoulder
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matt_claydon
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| posted on 20/2/09 at 08:18 AM |
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I suspect the person who got told that 'fact' on the course didn't quite understand the stat he was being told and has
misinterpreted it as 'life expectancy'.
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Humbug
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| posted on 20/2/09 at 08:36 AM |
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Perhaps it meant that, in hard shoulder crashes where there was a fatality, the average time from parking to death was 23 minutes? It might be based
on a sample of say 10
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blakep82
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| posted on 20/2/09 at 08:40 AM |
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or maybe the average time spent on the hardshoulder is 23 minutes, from pulling over to being able to drive away?
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edspurrier
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| posted on 20/2/09 at 08:47 AM |
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There are quite a few collisions on the hard shoulder when people aren't paying attention and assume the parked car is in lane 1. I'm not
convinced by that statistic though.
I was once at an RTA with fire service, ambulances, police, blue flashing lgihts, cones etc on the hard shoulder where a bloke ploughed through all
the cones and almost hit a fire engine. He wasn't popular. So I would never stay in a car on the hard shoulder myself.
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iank
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| posted on 20/2/09 at 09:01 AM |
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I'd be prepared to accept that for all those killed on the hard shoulder the average time from breaking down to death was 23mins.
If you discount all those not killed from the averaging process it doesn't sound too far out.
A completely pointless statistic if so.
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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afj
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| posted on 20/2/09 at 09:01 AM |
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im a recovery man and just in peterborough there have been 20+ rta's where the car on the shoulder has been crashed into 4 fatal, and in
huntingdon about 15 with 3 fatal in the last year
it happens all the time but if there is no deaths the accident is cleared within an hour or so
eerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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matt_claydon
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| posted on 20/2/09 at 09:10 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by iank
I'd be prepared to accept that for all those killed on the hard shoulder the average time from breaking down to death was 23mins.
I agree, and as you say - completely meaningless!
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 20/2/09 at 09:15 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by iank
I'd be prepared to accept that for all those killed on the hard shoulder the average time from breaking down to death was 23mins.
Yes, that sounds entirely plausible. Another complete abuse of statistics!
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JamJah
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| posted on 20/2/09 at 09:21 AM |
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I too agree with Ian K. But would this only include kits? I imagine kits create more hard shoulder fatalities as they are often open topped and I
guess the occupants are more likely to try and fix themselves.
AFK... as a single male, I waited 3 hours both times I have ever needed recovery. Would it be fair to say I should phone up and say I am dead to get a
quicker responce? Crude but true?
This is personal advise or personal opinion.
Constructive comments gratefully recieved, picking is left for noses.
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edspurrier
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| posted on 20/2/09 at 09:24 AM |
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Not sure they'd believe you if you phoned t o say you were already dead, and if you call from the Other Side it's a bit late......
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JamJah
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| posted on 20/2/09 at 09:27 AM |
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Shucks. Still half asleep! I'll go get some breakfast shortly then leave some proper thought out comments.
This is personal advise or personal opinion.
Constructive comments gratefully recieved, picking is left for noses.
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trogdor
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| posted on 20/2/09 at 10:19 AM |
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I travel on the motorways a fair amount and its amazing how many trucks wander slightly on to the hard shoulder,
apparently they don't feel the white line when they drive over it?
anyway we once broke down and the police arrived not long after to make sure we were out of the car as where we were was a bad place for trucks to
wander off and flatten you.
Had happen to four young people the month before.
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Hellfire
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| posted on 20/2/09 at 12:04 PM |
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You can manipulate statistics to show whatever result you want.
Phil
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 20/2/09 at 12:10 PM |
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Jan 2008 Avatar
The data presented in this sig, for example, implies BECs are the way to go.
We all know that, reading in between the lines, this is definitely not the case 
Edited to say "sig" so i look like less of a n00b. 
[Edited on 20/2/09 by cd.thomson]
Craig
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02GF74
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| posted on 20/2/09 at 12:12 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Hellfire
You can manipulate statistics to show whatever result you want.
Phil
yeah, but only 90 percent of them.
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Hellfire
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| posted on 20/2/09 at 12:21 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by cd.thomson
Jan 2008 Avatar
The data presented in this avatar, for example, implies BECs are the way to go.
We all know that, reading in between the lines, this is definitely not the case
It doesn't imply anything.
It isn't an avatar
But BEC is definitely the way to go......
Phil
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 20/2/09 at 12:22 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
quote:
Originally posted by Hellfire
You can manipulate statistics to show whatever result you want.
Phil
yeah, but only 90 percent of them.
Everyone knows that 97.34% of statistics are made up to suit the occasion.
"Lies, damn lies, and statistics"
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mitch2b
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| posted on 20/2/09 at 12:44 PM |
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I spent an hour on the hard shoulder when mates Cobra broke down, its scary how many HGV'S wander into the hard shoulder, we were on a unlit
section of the M6,(with total power failure on car, no lights or anything, it took the AA nearly 3 hrs to come and that was with the Highways lot
badgering them to move him imediatly,
i didnt like being there,
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Meeerrrk
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| posted on 20/2/09 at 02:03 PM |
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75% of all statistics are made up
For Sale : 2008 Aries/Stuart Taylor Motorsport Locoblade (954 Blade)
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Canada EH!
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| posted on 20/2/09 at 03:37 PM |
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The Provincial Police here in Ontario did a study a few years ago. They parked a marked Police vehicles with emergency lights flashing, at night on
the shoulder of a four lane highway. Several were struck, mostly by impaired drivers looking at the pretty lights.
They then did the same experiment with all the lights off, and also with abandoned cars at the side of the road, no collisions, what does this say
about Hazzard lights.
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 20/2/09 at 04:03 PM |
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Many years ago Custom Car magazine drove a car that was fluorescent pink (yuk!).
After a while they reckoned that other drivers were attracted to it! They were so mesmerised by the lurid colour that they would drift towards it as
they drove along...
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