jpindy3
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| posted on 18/4/09 at 06:08 PM |
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a 180-190bhp recipe for a pinto
i have just got a 205 engine,im planing to rebuild it to fit into my mk indy,i carnt aford to get it from a pro ,i quite fancy doing it .any ideas
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would like to see 180-190hp
[Edited on 18/4/09 by jpindy3]
[Edited on 18/4/09 by jpindy3]
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blakep82
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| posted on 18/4/09 at 06:10 PM |
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yep. buy a duratec or red top.
seriously.
you can spend a fortune rebuilding that engine with everything you can possibly get,
with a vauxhall red top, bike carbs and a decent exhaust will get you not far off 180bhp
edit, thats sounds quite negative and a bit rude, i don't mean it like that, but i wouldn't say you've started with the best engine
for that sort of power
[Edited on 18/4/09 by blakep82]
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clairetoo
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| posted on 18/4/09 at 06:12 PM |
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Or a KLDE V6 for £100 will get you close to 200 
Its cuz I is blond , innit
Claire xx
Will weld for food......
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nick205
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| posted on 18/4/09 at 06:12 PM |
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^^^ He's right, you'll spend a lot of time and money getting that sort of power froma Pinto when you could drop in a VX XE, Ford Zetec
(or maybe a Duratec) and get that sort of power pretty easily.
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greggors84
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| posted on 18/4/09 at 06:14 PM |
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The best way to get that sort of power from a pinto is to fit another engine. 
Seriously though that has got to be at the upper end of a N/A pinto's limits. When I got mine rolling roaded the bloke there said they built one
for his boss and managed to squeeze 180bhp out of one with a lot of work. That may have been at the wheels but he didnt say.
A Pinto with that sort of power would be in high race tune with a high lift cam that would be a pain to drive on the road because of the high power
band.
Although we had someone call in work the other day who said they had a Westfield with a 270bhp pinto in it....
The money you would have to spend to get a pinto to 160bhp you could get a lighter Zetec/Duratec with around 180bhp
All in my opinion of course.
Edit: Haha looks like I took too long to post, everything I have said was already said in the above posts!
[Edited on 18/4/2009 by greggors84]
Chris
The Magnificent 7!
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Dave Ashurst
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| posted on 18/4/09 at 06:17 PM |
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Whilst your waiting for someone who's actually done it, here's some background reading :
Puma Racing
.........you probably saw that already.
Plus what blake said !
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mr henderson
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| posted on 18/4/09 at 06:19 PM |
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If you really want to stick with the Pinto, and what that kind of power, then you need to be thinking about forced induction.
A turbo setup should produce the required power figure
John
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jpindy3
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| posted on 18/4/09 at 06:20 PM |
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pinto
well i already have the bike carbs on another pinto,with a red top what would i have to do about the ecu fitting carbs ,and what power ????
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blakep82
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| posted on 18/4/09 at 06:21 PM |
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Engine
Ford 2-litre Pinto, 2046cc (bore 92mm), 76.95 mm billet steel crankshaft, forged alloy pistons, steel flywheel, two gallon dry sump, 19-row oil
cooler, twin Facet fuel pumps, Warrior Holbay 16-valve twin-cam cylinder head, 50/48 mm Weber DCOEs, DA10/DA19 cams, 12 gallon fuel tank, 238 bhp at
7500 rpm. Hillclimb version 270 bhp at 8000 rpm, 205 lb ft at 5500 rpm.
http://www.connaughtengines.co.uk/IvesEscort.asp
 (both at the power, and the work needed
well, looks like it can be done, but i'd still stick with a red top
If i remember right, the red top was designed by vauxhall to be tunable, and the bottom end as standard is good for about 200bhp. worth bearing in
mind
as for bike carbs and ECU on a red top, i'd go for megajolt for the ECU, and a home made manifold, but bear in mind a few calculations will be
needed for intake length etc for getting the best out of it.
I've not got a red top, but i went for the newer ecotec, which is the exact same block as the red top, and i'm doing the megajolt bike
carb thing just now
[Edited on 18/4/09 by blakep82]
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zilspeed
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| posted on 18/4/09 at 06:25 PM |
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The good old Pinto is a bit like the Xflow nowadays, isn't it.
It made good cheap power in its day, but now the only reason you would absolutely choose one is because the regs of your championship say you have
to.
Buy a Red Top Vauxhall, stick some carbs on it and bingo, you're there.
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greggors84
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| posted on 18/4/09 at 06:27 PM |
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Pinto with 16v head?
Isnt that basically a NA cossie engine?
Chris
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jpindy3
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| posted on 18/4/09 at 06:28 PM |
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thanks peps,what about that red to though,i dont know much about it ,as i say i have carbs off a zx9,what power would be poss ,would i need a new ecu
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omega0684
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| posted on 18/4/09 at 06:31 PM |
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you won't get 180-190 out of a pinto unless you are going to spen some serious money, much easier to get a zetec turbo or duretec
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jpindy3
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| posted on 18/4/09 at 06:33 PM |
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red top
red top it is ,anyone want a pinto????
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blakep82
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| posted on 18/4/09 at 06:34 PM |
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ecu wise, you would need something like megajolt, widely used on here, fully reprogammable with a PC. really good bit of kit., and like zil says, that
with a decent exhaust and air filter, 180bhp should be there (though i'd say 170bhp) a small amount of extra work will get you 180-190
though.
a LOT cheaper than a pinto
and in fact, i'm using a slightly different engine to the red top, but using zx9r carbs and megajolt myself
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blakep82
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| posted on 18/4/09 at 06:38 PM |
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ah, and welcome to the forum btw
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mookaloid
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| posted on 18/4/09 at 06:41 PM |
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Well I have done it and I can tell you that you will need the best part of a grand or maybe a bit more to do it.
It can be perfectly ok at normal speeds with a good tickover and still give you the power you want.
However most of the posters above are correct - you can do it cheaper with other engines.
If you really want to know how u2u me
Cheers
Mark
"That thing you're thinking - it wont be that."
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omega0684
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| posted on 18/4/09 at 06:51 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jpindy3
red top it is ,anyone want a pinto????
is it free?
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cryoman1965
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| posted on 18/4/09 at 06:51 PM |
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DURATEC. tb's & Megajolt.
Need a new bellhousing to mate to a type 9.
The exhaust exits from the same side and if you have a s/s system it will fit the duratec.
No new manifold or bonnet.
Keith2lp from this site has done this.
If you are looking at cost this is something to consider.
HTH
Nige
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flak monkey
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| posted on 18/4/09 at 07:04 PM |
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Supercharge it. 200bhp on stock internals with an eaton m45 (mini cooper s) supercharger and more if you fit a decent cam.
Costs £150 for supercharger, make the manifold yourself (£50 for materials?) then you ideally would want to fit injection, so another £400 for
megaquirt and throttle bodies. Run it on blow through for simplicity.
Duratec isnt *that* simple, but do able on a budget (i reckon mines going to be about £800 by the time its in)
David
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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jacko
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| posted on 18/4/09 at 07:16 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jpindy3
i have just got a 205 engine,im planing to rebuild it to fit into my mk indy,i carnt aford to get it from a pro ,i quite fancy doing it .any ideas
???
would like to see 180-190hp
[Edited on 18/4/09 by jpindy3]
[Edited on 18/4/09 by jpindy3]
180-190bhp i would like that too
jacko
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jacko
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| posted on 18/4/09 at 07:28 PM |
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Mr Mookaloid sir please tell me how to get 190bhp
Graham
[Edited on 18/4/09 by jacko]
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 18/4/09 at 07:38 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by greggors84
The best way to get that sort of power from a pinto is to fit another engine.
I generally say the same thing to anyone who asks about getting max power out of a Kent/crossflow! Work out how much money is required to get the
required power from the old engine - then spend it on a much more modern engine. I like my x-flow, but I'm not going to spend any more money on
it.
A modern engine is more efficient, giving more power out of the box, with the added bonus of much higher reliability and greater potential for tuning.
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mookaloid
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| posted on 18/4/09 at 07:46 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jacko
Mr Mookaloid sir please tell me how to get 190bhp
Graham
[Edited on 18/4/09 by jacko]
I think you already have most of that - maybe you just aren't using it properly
"That thing you're thinking - it wont be that."
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roadrunner
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| posted on 18/4/09 at 07:57 PM |
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There you go Jacko, you can't drive properly
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