Norfolkluegojnr
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| posted on 4/3/10 at 07:36 PM |
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AARGRHH. Engine won't start. Starter motor problem....
Right, please help us! reaching the end of our patience now, we've been working on the car solidly for weeks now, and everything is finally back
together, but we have a problem.
When the key is turned to fire the engine the starter motor 'clicks' repeatedly but nothing else happens. THe motor works fine, we tested
it, the wiring is fine (thanks prawnabie), but it sounds like it not engaging the flywheel.
ITs a 1800 Zetec engine, a Ford DOHC starter motor, and a CVH flywheel.
ANY suggestions appreciated.
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Breaker
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| posted on 4/3/10 at 07:40 PM |
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I think you have some voltage loss at the starter or at the battery clamps.
Try measuring the battery pole voltage, voltage on the battery clamps and voltage at the starter while trying to start the engine.
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doddy
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| posted on 4/3/10 at 07:42 PM |
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it must be the spacing for the stater motor
mine is fine but i have 1,8 zetec clucth and cvh starter
take you starter out and see how far in the starter cog is from the egde of the bell housing then see how far your stater goes in if that makes sense
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Norfolkluegojnr
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| posted on 4/3/10 at 07:43 PM |
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At the moment we're using jump leads from a battery on the floor. could that be this issue? We have tried also jumping it from another car....
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Norfolkluegojnr
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| posted on 4/3/10 at 07:45 PM |
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Doddy:- i thought it might be spacing. does your CVH starter bolt directly to the type 9 bellhousing? or are you using a different box? maybe using a
CVH starter would solve the issue?
is it possibly the teeth on the motor are to wide/narrow for the flywheel?
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big_wasa
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| posted on 4/3/10 at 07:47 PM |
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So it clicks, is it spinning ?
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britishtrident
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| posted on 4/3/10 at 07:49 PM |
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Which CVH flywheel RWD or FWD ?
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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big_wasa
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| posted on 4/3/10 at 07:50 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Norfolkluegojnr
Doddy:- i thought it might be spacing. does your CVH starter bolt directly to the type 9 bellhousing? or are you using a different box? maybe using a
CVH starter would solve the issue?
is it possibly the teeth on the motor are to wide/narrow for the flywheel?
Dohc and cvh often use the same starter. So swaping to a cvh wont do anything.
If its not reaching the fly you could try a pinto starter.
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doddy
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| posted on 4/3/10 at 07:50 PM |
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yes mine bolt on the type 9
i dont know if the cvh on will work if you take yours out and tell me how far out the cog is i can check my one for you
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Norfolkluegojnr
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| posted on 4/3/10 at 07:53 PM |
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not sure if its a RWD or FWD, i assume this makes a difference? is there some way to tell?
Yes, clicking (repeatedly) but not spinning. is it shooting forward, but hitting the flywheel and getting returned? maybe needs to be spaced back a
little?
i measured the throw of the starter cog, and it seems to match the depth to the flywheel. if not the same its only 1 or 2 mm out.
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norfolkluego
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| posted on 4/3/10 at 07:57 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by big_wasa
quote:
Originally posted by Norfolkluegojnr
Doddy:- i thought it might be spacing. does your CVH starter bolt directly to the type 9 bellhousing? or are you using a different box? maybe using a
CVH starter would solve the issue?
is it possibly the teeth on the motor are to wide/narrow for the flywheel?
Dohc and cvh often use the same starter. So swaping to a cvh wont do anything.
If its not reaching the fly you could try a pinto starter.
If it wasn't reaching the fly wouldn't it just spin up but not turn the fly, that's not what it's doing, just making a rapid
tak-tak-tak noise (just to say again out of the car it throws and spins up correctly)
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big_wasa
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| posted on 4/3/10 at 07:58 PM |
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Well I can aswer that for you if its the one from me.
Its from a rwd 1.8cvh 1993 ford sierra.
You could u2u "lsdweb" as he has used one in his.
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big_wasa
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| posted on 4/3/10 at 08:01 PM |
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Can you turn the engine by hand ?
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Norfolkluegojnr
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| posted on 4/3/10 at 08:02 PM |
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engine turning ok by hand, no issues there.....
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norfolkluego
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| posted on 4/3/10 at 08:02 PM |
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Yep, no problem turning by hand and yes again it is the fly I got from you
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Norfolkluegojnr
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| posted on 4/3/10 at 08:03 PM |
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this is probably, confusing people: Dad you lead the thread....
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norfolkluego
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| posted on 4/3/10 at 08:05 PM |
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Apologies about all these Norfolkluego posts, jnr is staying here while he moves house, using my broadband, drinking my beer and moving his psycho cat
in (but not fixing the car!!!!)
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big_wasa
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| posted on 4/3/10 at 08:10 PM |
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 didnt spot the jr bit
I would really check the wirring and the battery.
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norfolkluego
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| posted on 4/3/10 at 08:16 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by big_wasa
didnt spot the jr bit
I would really check the wirring and the battery.
Well tomorrow it's getting the man size battery off the Pajero, that should either make it work or blow it up
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big_wasa
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| posted on 4/3/10 at 08:17 PM |
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from my spare lucas lr707
 
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big_wasa
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| posted on 4/3/10 at 08:30 PM |
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Just another thought as you have had the engine out. have you checked the earth from the engine to the battery ?
All the little things that can be over looked when swaping engines.
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norfolkluego
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| posted on 4/3/10 at 08:48 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by big_wasa
Just another thought as you have had the engine out. have you checked the earth from the engine to the battery ?
All the little things that can be over looked when swaping engines.
Wiring is as you described but we're jumping it from a spare (not very good) battery, think we need to bolt a good one in and connect everything
up properly and try again
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will121
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| posted on 4/3/10 at 09:04 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by big_wasa
from my spare lucas lr707
if you connect it up on the bench as big_wasa said with good earth connection to the starter flange should work fine, if not check battery voltage
when trying to make sure ok or sounds faulty starter.
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norfolkluego
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| posted on 4/3/10 at 09:12 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by will121
quote:
Originally posted by big_wasa
from my spare lucas lr707
if you connect it up on the bench as big_wasa said with good earth connection to the starter flange should work fine, if not check battery voltage
when trying to make sure ok or sounds faulty starter.
Tried that and it works fine off the car
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will121
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| posted on 4/3/10 at 09:39 PM |
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Ive re-read the thread again now, if starter runs fine on the bench, next thing im thinking when installled, is have you got a good earth from battery
to engine block? could be as you mentioned solinoid not getting thrown out enough to engage main starter switch and finally is it actually spinning
but to short to engage ring gear? a few measurements should resolve but as you said earlier may be a couple mm out but that couple mm could be the
differance between working or not
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