woodster
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 09:28 AM |
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Squatter .....
at number 10 ...... i think hes doing the maths
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flak monkey
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 09:30 AM |
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Tories cant win an overall majority now, which is only a good thing.
Sera
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coozer
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 09:33 AM |
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The tory's can take the biggest share of the vote and be the 'peoples choice'
Then Broon can canoodle with his pals and do a deal with the Clog and keep the tory's out.
Hardly democratic in my book.
We are faced with more of the same misery and taxation.
My preferred option in UKIP hardly made a noise.
Why do we bother?
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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skinned knuckles
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 09:38 AM |
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yep, the system is wrong. how can it be possible that the 2 parties that received the lowest votes end up in charge, leaving the peoples choice sat on
the losing side?
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boggle
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 09:44 AM |
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 09:47 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
Tories cant win an overall majority now, which is only a good thing.
well... if you're a miner and this was the 1980s.
For the rest of us, its quite a bad thing.
Craig
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MikeFellows
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 09:50 AM |
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if you look at the current voting figures
Conservatives 10.2m votes
Labour 8.2m
Lib Dem 6.4m
its a strange one as a lot more people voted conservative but jointly a whole lot more people voted labour and lib dem.
however it doesn't seem right that you can join forces post election.
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flak monkey
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 09:57 AM |
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Why would you want a chancellor with zero experience and who is a total muppet when the countries economy is rather delicate?
Is that really such a good move? I dont think so some how. He was only chosen as he was one of Camerons school chums.
As for Cameron, according to a rather interesting article I was reading the other day his only quality as a leader is optimism - how very useful.
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mad4x4
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 09:57 AM |
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System is very non-democratic
needs to be proporational rep. based on actual number of votes not this SEATS crap.
Scot's do it better in Kilts.
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flak monkey
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 10:02 AM |
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PR has its drawbacks as well.
Its very complex and means that voters need to have abetter understanding of individual party policies. most of whom dont as they just blindly vote
for the same party over and over.
It also is more likely to lead to a hung parliament where there are more than 2 main parties. Which there are in the UK if you look at the breakdown
of votes from this election.
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Alfa145
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 10:03 AM |
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Yawn..............
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 10:04 AM |
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the issue with a hung parliament and proportional rep is that literally nothing will ever get done.
You think its bad now, just wait until you have 2+ opposition parties with similar amounts of control but different interests playing tug o' war
with the country.
Look at israel...they have the most democratic system in the world and they have to change government every 3 minutes because of it.
Craig
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eddie99
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 10:04 AM |
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Agree, i think its ridiculous that even though the tories got 2million more votes. They wont be in power, and the labour and lib dems can now decide
to join together and end up in power. As said, it should be done in total number of votes, not this seats way.
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AndyW
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 10:05 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by cd.thomson
quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
Tories cant win an overall majority now, which is only a good thing.
well... if you're a miner and this was the 1980s.
For the rest of us, its quite a bad thing.
Agreed totally....
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02GF74
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 10:10 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by cd.thomson
quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
Tories cant win an overall majority now, which is only a good thing.
well... if you're a miner and this was the 1980s.
For the rest of us, its quite a bad thing.
Never understood the miner's case being brought up. From what I recall, and I was very young at the time, the reason they said that the pits
were closed down was because they were uneconimocal.
I understood that as meaning it was cheaper to buy coal from eatern europe/china/south ameerica/wherever than it was to dig it out of the ground in
yorkshire/wales.
Now as the main use of coal is for generating electricity. To support the UK mining the result would have been either higher electricity prices or
higher taxes to subsidise the coal industry.
Judging by that amount of whingeing when 1 pence is put onto the price of petrol, or when the gas or leccy goes up, I doubt anyone would be happy with
those 2 options, hence the mines closed.
The hidden cost to the taxpayer was payment of unemployment benefit to the ex-miners.
At the time there was talk of decimation of jobs for future generation but thre was interview with a miner and the last thing he said he wanted hist
sons to do was to work down t'piut - hard and very dirty job so don't kid yourselves over that one.
The sad fact of life is we all want to grab as much money as possible for ourselves and resent giving it to others via taxes.
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NS Dev
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 10:39 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by cd.thomson
quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
Tories cant win an overall majority now, which is only a good thing.
well... if you're a miner and this was the 1980s.
For the rest of us, its quite a bad thing.
Agreed! That one puzzled me too!
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DaveFJ
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 10:44 AM |
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well as it stands right at this moment it is still possible that a Labour/Liberal coalition will still not be enough to form a majority!!
guess that would leave Conservative/liberal...
liberative? Conserberal? 
Dave
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stevebubs
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 10:53 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
Why would you want a chancellor with zero experience and who is a total muppet when the countries economy is rather delicate?
Is that really such a good move? I dont think so some how. He was only chosen as he was one of Camerons school chums.
As for Cameron, according to a rather interesting article I was reading the other day his only quality as a leader is optimism - how very useful.
As opposed to Brown (who only Scots have voted for previously), and who as Chancellor raised taxes and national debt, and as PM reduced our personal
freedoms?
Shoot the lot of 'em if you ask me...
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dhutch
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 10:58 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
Tories cant win an overall majority now, which is only a good thing.
Indeed.
In my mind that fact that they cannot pull a majority in the current economic climate speaks volumes.
As does comparison to represenatiatioal results to that of the seats gained.
Daniel
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flak monkey
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 11:02 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by dhutch
quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
Tories cant win an overall majority now, which is only a good thing.
Indeed.
In my mind that fact that they cannot pull a majority in the current economic climate speaks volumes.
As does comparison to represenatiatioal results to that of the seats gained.
Daniel
Exactly my point!
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MakeEverything
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 11:02 AM |
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I didnt vote, because they are all lying, cheating thieving shysters that dont have anyones interests but their own in mind.
I wouldnt trust ANY of them to Open a packet of sweets for my little boy, let alone submit their own expenses or run a country.
A complete waste of fkin time. Bring on the revolution to overthrow the fat cats at Parliament.
Kindest Regards,
Richard.
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 11:04 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by dhutch
In my mind that fact that they cannot pull a majority in the current economic climate speaks volumes.
Daniel
Only if you assume everybody is a floating vote.
I think the more accurate assumption is that the results between the three parties under the current system will generally be stable as floating
voters are the minority. Unless a party does something horrific that alienates their died-in-the-wool voters then the results will always be close
cut.
You're still looking at one of the biggest swings in voting for a long time which is more accurate way of illustrating how the country wants
labour out.
Craig
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coozer
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 11:05 AM |
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For the record...
Thatcher provoked the 1984 miners strike to get back at the miners after the last strike in 74 brought the conservative government down.
North east pits were very economical, productivity was huge BUT uk coal didn't get the subsidies that foreign imports did.
200 years of coal mining in this area hardly touched the reserves and its interesting to note that most of the collieries weren't
'closed' as such. They were officially 'mothballed', then the shafts were filled in rather quickly....
Houghton Colliery developed a new face, invested 10m in new machinery and was closed down before production started as the books showed a loss.....
She closed the shipyards, closed the pits, then raised the mortgage rate to 17%
I hope she burns in hell....
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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55ant
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 11:06 AM |
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can i get a reeee vote
away from cars, now cycling and building TT bikes
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 7/5/10 at 11:11 AM |
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if you take away all the votes gained by dubious practices like 20 asians suddenly living in a 2 bed flat and all the dirty tricks and lies pulled by
gormless clown and his bunch of commie surrender monkeys the right party would have got in.
now we are faced with a couple more years of downward spiral,you think some places in africa or greece are bad,you aint seen nothing yet.
who cares who wins
pass the pork pies
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