Hellfire
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| posted on 8/8/10 at 06:12 PM |
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Engineer with lathe
I have two 500mm lengths of half inch aluminium tube. I need to convert this into four 250mm lengths of 12mm (exact) diameter and an M10 male thread
cutting on one end of each tube for approximately 15mm in length.
Are there any engineers on here with access to a lathe that could do this job for me?
Phil
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RichardK
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| posted on 8/8/10 at 06:44 PM |
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Wouldn't it be easier to just get some 12mm ali tube from say B&Q and tap an internal thread down the end and then glue in a bit of cut down
threaded rod?
Just an idea, cheers Rich
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austin man
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| posted on 8/8/10 at 10:14 PM |
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Mix
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| posted on 9/8/10 at 03:46 PM |
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Hi
Have 2x500mm lengths
Want 4x250mm lengths
Need a method of cutting without removing material
Sorry just feeling pedantic 
Mick
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indykid
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| posted on 9/8/10 at 04:36 PM |
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how thick walled is the tube if you want an m10 thread cutting on a 12mm od?
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2cv
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| posted on 9/8/10 at 04:51 PM |
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If I've calculated right, it needs to be at least 2.1mm wall thickness to allow for an 8.5 pilot hole to suit an M10 x 1.5 thread.
It will end up with only a 1mm wall thickness.
[Edited on 9/8/10 by 2cv]
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Hellfire
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| posted on 9/8/10 at 05:54 PM |
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Wall thickness is 3mm and it's a male thread that's required, so no pilot hole needed.
Phil
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907
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| posted on 9/8/10 at 06:38 PM |
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I think the pipe would collapse as the thread is cut.
Paul G
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interestedparty
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| posted on 9/8/10 at 09:07 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Hellfire
Wall thickness is 3mm and it's a male thread that's required, so no pilot hole needed.
Phil
did you mean m12 thread, rather than the m10 in your first post?
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 11/8/10 at 01:01 PM |
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Looks like he wants two lengths of tube machining down to a fixed diam and am M10 thread putting on it which would be impossible  . Problems lie in
cutting 2x250mm from 1x500 (you have to remove material somewhere) but I suspect they're not exactly 500, and wall thickness for thread cutting
- 3mm wall thickness :
3mm - .35 (trimming 1/2 to 12mm) leaves you with 2.65mm wall thickness along the length, thread depth of a perfectly cut an M10 is .92mm IIRC (larger
for the more possible M12), leaving you with 1.73mm of alu to hold whatever it is holding. This may be plenty, depending on use.
[Edited on 11/8/10 by coyoteboy]
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Hellfire
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| posted on 11/8/10 at 01:15 PM |
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The 250mm length isn't critical but the 12mm dia is quite critical. The only grey area appears to be whether the M10 thread can be cut or
not......
Phil
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 11/8/10 at 01:42 PM |
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If you want an actual M10 thread, the nominal outer diam of the M10 thread is 10mm - if your current wall thickness is 3mm exactly and you trim it
down to 12mm you're looking at 2.65mm wall thickness. To then thread that with M10 you need to machine it down a further 2mm to get to 10mm
nominal diam, which gives you a wall thickness of 1.65mm. The process of cutting the thread will cut approx 1mm into the walls, leaving you .65mm. If
it's cosmetic it'll probably be fine if its not holding much mass, if it's structural I'd not be betting my lunch on it. What
is it holding? 15mm may not be enough to deal with the force anyway, have you run some thread engagement calcs on it if it's structural?
[Edited on 11/8/10 by coyoteboy]
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flak monkey
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| posted on 11/8/10 at 06:46 PM |
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OD 12.7mm with a wall thickness of 3mm is 6.7mm in the bore (12.7-6)
Then down on the ends to M10 will only leave you with a wall thickness of 1.65mm
Thread pitch of M10 is 1.5mm, so will leave you with a wall thickness of 0.9mm
So its possible, but the result wont be very strong at all and will quickly fatigue if subject to any vibration or cyclic loading.
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 11/8/10 at 08:49 PM |
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Not quite right flak (neither was my last post) - thread depth is .866 of pitch on metric threads, leaving either .35 or .55mm wall thickness
depending on fine or coarse thread chosen.
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procomp
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| posted on 12/8/10 at 04:13 PM |
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Hi
Maybe using bar would be safest if under load. Or how about making the threaded section a separate part and sleeve it in to the end of the tube.
Cheers Matt
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Hellfire
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| posted on 12/8/10 at 06:06 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by procomp
Hi
Maybe using bar would be safest if under load. Or how about making the threaded section a separate part and sleeve it in to the end of the
tube.
Cheers Matt
That's a great idea. Sometimes you just don't see the wood for the trees...... Cheers Matt!
Phil
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procomp
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| posted on 12/8/10 at 07:11 PM |
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Hi
It took 1800Mg of pain killers ( some with hallucinogenic side effects ) and 600 mg of antibiotics to come up with the idea. 
Cheers Matt
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