jlayton
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| posted on 26/5/11 at 03:06 PM |
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newbie needing advice
hi iv just been looking on mnr website and they are doing a comprehensive kit for (mnr rt+) at £4450 including vat. my question is has anybody bought
1 like this as i would like to know exactly what parts are need to 100% finish the build (apart from engine)
cheers jim
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Irony
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| posted on 26/5/11 at 03:12 PM |
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I cannot in anyway comment on the MNR comprehensive kits but some kitcar manufacturers use the word 'comprehensive' with quite a lot of
truth bending. If its smaller than about the size of a small melon then it's not included.
Welcome by the way
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mcerd1
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| posted on 26/5/11 at 03:30 PM |
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one way to find out whats not included is to look in the options / extra's section of the price list
again I'm not familiar with MNR's kits but I've seen some 'comprehensive' kits that don't include wheels, seats,
lights.... and so on
of course you may find it much cheaper to get the 'extra' bits elsewhere
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Davey D
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| posted on 26/5/11 at 03:33 PM |
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you'll be spending at least the same again to get the car finished and on the road. Mine cost nearer 3 times that to get to how i wanted it
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vinny1275
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| posted on 26/5/11 at 03:58 PM |
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Click on the starter kit button at the bottom of the RT+ page - that tells you what's in the kit. Basically what's supplied is enough to
make a rolling chassis with the body on (except the wheels / tyres). The things that are left out of the kit are pretty much what you'd want to
choose for yourself anyway - wheels & tyres, brakes, engine, seats, instruments. Add to that lots of nuts, bolts and rivets to hold it all
together with.
Speak to Chris and Marc, they can give you a good idea of what else you'd need, and costs for them to supply. As well as our kit, we ordered
stuff like the exhaust, quickrack, wiring loom from them, which added to the cost, but took away a lot of the hassle (especially the loom).
HTH
Vince
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bassett
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| posted on 26/5/11 at 05:23 PM |
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Yep as above budget that times 2 or 3 and thats where mine stands
[Edited on 26/5/11 by bassett]
My MNR Blog Updated Jan 2010 - Track Day Prep Begins!
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daniel mason
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| posted on 26/5/11 at 05:48 PM |
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the kit is very good.and if you want you can include various extra parts if you want mnr to source them but i think the kit is a great starting point.
it gives you enough to go at for a while until you have a bit more cash to continue the project bit by bit. its the same with most companies, but the
help given from chris and marc is exceptional,including after sales service. if i ever built another i would look no further than mnr.
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The Venom Project
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| posted on 1/6/11 at 02:31 PM |
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My MNR ran into thousands of pounds, I alone spent £7000 and this was sourcing via a friend with a huge discount, total cost on this MNR was around
£30K but it was quite a ridiculous amount to spend in comparison to a standard one. the best thing to do is pop along and speak to Chris at MNR and
then you will know exactly where you are, both Chris and Marc are very helpful. As 7 styled cars go, I have to say this is my favourite as I love the
shape of the nosecone alone. :-)
[Edited on 1/6/11 by The Venom Project]
It's not that i'm lazy, it's that I just don't care.....
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designer
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| posted on 1/6/11 at 03:12 PM |
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Personally, as an engineer, not a stress expert, I think the MNR front wishbones are one of the ugliest I have seen and a most ill conceived design.
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first350
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| posted on 1/6/11 at 04:28 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by designer
Personally, as an engineer, not a stress expert, I think the MNR front wishbones are one of the ugliest I have seen and a most ill conceived design.
why do you say that? Personally I like it - super easy to adjust camber and Toe, and so far handling is as expected (no bump steer,...)
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blakep82
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| posted on 1/6/11 at 05:21 PM |
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there's absolutely nothin wrong with them, the tubes that the rod ends go into are a little longer than usual (and maybe a bit longer than they
need to be) but they don't affect suspension performance in any way as far as i can tell. there was another thread about it somewhere, but i
can't find it
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Johneturbo
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| posted on 1/6/11 at 05:33 PM |
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I think they are the nicest looking wishbones out there( i don't have a wishbone fetish) i'd be interested to know why you think they are
a ill design
Re: costs of building, i think about the 12K is a good average figure
[Edited on 1/6/11 by Johneturbo]
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lucy
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| posted on 1/6/11 at 11:13 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by designer
Personally, as an engineer, not a stress expert, I think the MNR front wishbones are one of the ugliest I have seen and a most ill conceived design.
Oh dear. Have you designed some yourself and not only had a lot of stress, but found that they haven't sold too well!
I see where you get your design criteria from now, you drive a Robinhood.
[Edited on 2/6/11 by lucy]
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The Venom Project
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quote:
Originally posted by designer
Personally, as an engineer, not a stress expert, I think the MNR front wishbones are one of the ugliest I have seen and a most ill conceived design.
That in itself is a stupid comment. I don't know what kind of engineer you are? But I have been looking at wishbones for sometime now for my
custom reverse trike and I can tell you that some of the major long standing companies produce some real garbage, crappy welds, awful designs, MNR
cars and framework is some of the best I have seen. The wishbones alone are a very strong very good looking wishbone and also very easy to setup even
with rose joint fixings.
Of course thats just my opinion, and I am bias I suppose as my first build was an MNR
It's not that i'm lazy, it's that I just don't care.....
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mcerd1
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| posted on 3/6/11 at 12:06 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by The Venom Project
quote:
Originally posted by designer
Personally, as an engineer, not a stress expert, I think the MNR front wishbones are one of the ugliest I have seen and a most ill conceived design.
That in itself is a stupid comment. I don't know what kind of engineer you are? But I have been looking at wishbones for sometime now for my
custom reverse trike and I can tell you that some of the major long standing companies produce some real garbage, crappy welds, awful designs, MNR
cars and framework is some of the best I have seen. The wishbones alone are a very strong very good looking wishbone and also very easy to setup even
with rose joint fixings.
Of course thats just my opinion, and I am bias I suppose as my first build was an MNR
I like my dax ones best, but can't see anything wrong with the MNR ones
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blakep82
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| posted on 3/6/11 at 12:30 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by The Venom Project
quote:
Originally posted by designer
Personally, as an engineer, not a stress expert, I think the MNR front wishbones are one of the ugliest I have seen and a most ill conceived design.
That in itself is a stupid comment. I don't know what kind of engineer you are?
heating engineer? 
+1 on it being a silly comment. like saying, the fisher fury is a beautiful car, but completely useless, because you can't sail it to the
Med.
whether you think its ugly or not, has no bearing on how well it performs at its task, which is really what engineering is about.
doing the job to the best of its ability first, asthetics second imo
i wonder though if the length of the rose joint tubes are some sort of IVA thing? makes the exempt area within the wishbones a little bigger than
normal doesn't it?
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adithorp
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| posted on 3/6/11 at 12:39 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
+1 on it being a silly comment. like saying, the fisher fury is a beautiful car, but completely useless, because you can't sail it to the
Med.
I've driven mine to the Med'. Does that count? 
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
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blakep82
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| posted on 3/6/11 at 12:44 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by adithorp
quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
+1 on it being a silly comment. like saying, the fisher fury is a beautiful car, but completely useless, because you can't sail it to the
Med.
I've driven mine to the Med'. Does that count?
did you drive it in the sea though? did you sail it? if not, then no
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designer
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| posted on 5/6/11 at 02:40 PM |
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Funny how the days of free speech have disappeared on this forum!
I never said the wishbones do not work! I never said they did not do their job! They could be the best wishbones ever! I am not demeaning the car, or
any owner. I just said that the design, as in construction, is to me, not right.
I'm sorry that I said it was MY opinion. But I have a right, or don't I?
I think wishbones should have straight tubes, in line with the centres of the joints, not a dog leg. Simple, but that's the way I think it
should be.
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BTW I settled on a Robin Hood after having FIVE other 7's, so I am not a novice, it suits me and it's perfect for the roads around here.
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Krismc
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| posted on 5/6/11 at 03:21 PM |
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I see your point, and agree even more after seeing that diagram. lots of people/engineers comment on my wishbones saying they are too long, bad
angles, stress points etc - they may be of not perfect design but just as long as they do there job ill be happy!
Oh and yes there is no free speech unless you blessing someone on this forum, if you dislike something or complain then your posts may magically
dissapear.
Built, Ivaed, Drove and now Sold - 2011 MNR VORTX RT+ 2000cc Zetec on R1 Throttle boddies.
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daniel mason
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| posted on 5/6/11 at 04:11 PM |
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i though the top wishbones were supposed to be slightly offset to help with the self centering problems which many suffer from?
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Johneturbo
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| posted on 5/6/11 at 06:09 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by designer
Funny how the days of free speech have disappeared on this forum!
I never said the wishbones do not work! I never said they did not do their job! They could be the best wishbones ever! I am not demeaning the car, or
any owner. I just said that the design, as in construction, is to me, not right.
I'm sorry that I said it was MY opinion. But I have a right, or don't I?
I think wishbones should have straight tubes, in line with the centres of the joints, not a dog leg. Simple, but that's the way I think it
should be.
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BTW I settled on a Robin Hood after having FIVE other 7's, so I am not a novice, it suits me and it's perfect for the roads around here.
This thread was about how much to complete a car.. not are mnr wishbones ugly!
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v8kid
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| posted on 5/6/11 at 06:15 PM |
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For my 10c the adequacy or otherwise of the wishbones depends on the design criteria which is the starting point for a designer. You may say they are
structurally imperfect, which they are, but that may not have been the design criteria.
The manufacturer may not have had the tooling and the press required for the alternative design, the design may have been required to be adjustable
which it is and the alternative is not or it may have been required to use "rose joints" purely as a marketing ploy.
I would defend to the death Designers right to air his opinion as he should also defend others right to say that this particular opinion is shallow
with no depth
Good debate! Go ahead and reinforce your free speech Designer with justifications rather than opinions. What are the differences in the forces here
and how significant are they ?
Cheers and good luck!
You'd be surprised how quickly the sales people at B&Q try and assist you after ignoring you for the past 15 minutes when you try and start a
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designer
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| posted on 5/6/11 at 07:48 PM |
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All forces react in a straight line and any load bearing structure should, ideally, be aligned with this force, otherwise larger, heavier, materials
have to be used.
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Of course in many case, this is impractical, but the design should have the structure as close as possible to the load path and any welds as near to
the ends as possible to reduce bending loads on the weld and any joints.
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v8kid
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| posted on 6/6/11 at 07:37 AM |
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Absolute rubbish
You'd be surprised how quickly the sales people at B&Q try and assist you after ignoring you for the past 15 minutes when you try and start a
chainsaw
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