James
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| posted on 22/7/04 at 10:36 AM |
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Modern Audis
Are Audis (the big A6s, A8s etc.) front, RWD or 4WD?
Only asking as was driving behind a couple today and wondered about future (we're talking 10 years!) donor possibilities.
Cheers,
James
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phelpsa
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| posted on 22/7/04 at 10:43 AM |
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FWD / 4WD (quattro).
Adam
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phelpsa
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| posted on 22/7/04 at 10:44 AM |
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And transverse.
Adam
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Noodle
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| posted on 22/7/04 at 11:11 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by phelpsa
And transverse.
Adam
Wrong.
All inline apart from A3 and A2. I think.
Neil
[Edited on 22/7/04 by Noodle]
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phelpsa
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| posted on 22/7/04 at 11:15 AM |
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The A6 is transverse.
Adam
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phelpsa
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| posted on 22/7/04 at 11:19 AM |
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And A4.
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phelpsa
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| posted on 22/7/04 at 11:23 AM |
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http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/used/reviews/full/index.cfm/id/2293
Your right about the A8 though, longitudinal FWD or 4WD, probably has a nice transaxle.
Adam
[Edited on 22/7/04 by phelpsa]
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Noodle
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| posted on 22/7/04 at 12:05 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by phelpsa
http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/used/reviews/full/index.cfm/id/2293
Your right about the A8 though, longitudinal FWD or 4WD, probably has a nice transaxle.
Adam
[Edited on 22/7/04 by phelpsa]
Good heavens. Well I've learned something new.
Apologies for being snappy. Bad day
Cheers,
Neil.
However, this looks suspiciously inline to me..
[Edited on 22/7/04 by Noodle]
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phelpsa
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| posted on 22/7/04 at 12:21 PM |
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Is this the new model? On that site it derinately says tranverse. I suppose they might be wrong.
Adam
[Edited on 22/7/04 by phelpsa]
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zilspeed
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| posted on 22/7/04 at 12:32 PM |
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They are FWD transverse and inline and they are 4WD with either transverse and inline engines.
My Passat has an Audi drivetrain with an inline engine and permanent 4WD . Transverse engined cars have part time 4WD through a haldex clutch.
The current A6 is most definitely in line in all flavours of engine and drivetrain - it's mechanically identical to my passat.
[Edited on 22/7/04 by zilspeed]
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James
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| posted on 22/7/04 at 12:38 PM |
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So possibilities for 4.2lt V8 donors in the future then?
James
EDIT: Assuming the odd one comes in a manual!
[Edited on 22/7/04 by James]
[Edited on 22/7/04 by James]
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Noodle
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| posted on 22/7/04 at 03:22 PM |
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OK, so all A2's and any derivation of a Volkwagen Golf (TT coupe/A3) are transverse FWD or 4WD with the Haldex clutch.
The remainder: A4->A8 are inlines.
I was thinking it doesn't make sense being transverse as the Passat is an A4 and it'd be a real pain to house a W12 transversly c/w end
mounted gearbox. 
Fair summary?
Neil.
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spunky
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| posted on 22/7/04 at 03:25 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by James
So possibilities for 4.2lt V8 donors in the future then?
James
EDIT: Assuming the odd one comes in a manual!
[Edited on 22/7/04 by James]
[Edited on 22/7/04 by James]
Bugger the manual, the Audi tiptronics are excellent....
John
The reckless man may not live as long......
But the cautious man does not live at all.....
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phelpsa
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| posted on 22/7/04 at 04:10 PM |
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The A4 is golf based (transverse), A6 is passat based. The passat diesel 1.9 we had as a hire car was transverse!?
Adam
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Noodle
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| posted on 22/7/04 at 05:16 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by phelpsa
The A4 is golf based (transverse), A6 is passat based. The passat diesel 1.9 we had as a hire car was transverse!?
Adam
The photo above of an inline engine is an A4. I had an A4 (1998-ish FWD 1.8) and it was inline. I've never seen a transverse one. It makes no
sense to produce inline and transverse.
Let's see a transverse photo!
Neil.
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phelpsa
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| posted on 22/7/04 at 05:40 PM |
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This chows a 2002 transverse engined passat:
http://www.new-cars.com/2002/vw/volkswagen-passat-wagon-photos.html
And this shows an inline engined passat:
http://www.stealthtdi.com/Passat.html
Confusing eh!
Adam
[Edited on 22/7/04 by phelpsa]
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 22/7/04 at 06:07 PM |
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Can I clear the confusion (work in VAG bodyshop!). Any of the VW derived Audi's are transverse, ie the A2(Polo) and A3 and TT(both golfs), The
A4, A6 A8 are longditudinal with a transaxle, or quattro transfer box. The suspension systems are so complex, I cannot see them being popular, the S4
V8 in particular has more sensors on the suspension than a space shuttle has in total!
If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
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Noodle
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| posted on 22/7/04 at 06:58 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by phelpsa
This chows a 2002 transverse engined passat:
http://www.new-cars.com/2002/vw/volkswagen-passat-wagon-photos.html
And this shows an inline engined passat:
http://www.stealthtdi.com/Passat.html
Confusing eh!
Adam
[Edited on 22/7/04 by phelpsa]
Look carefully at the transverse photo. It says it's a V6, yet the photo is of a 20v 4 cylinder turbo. They've screwed up! Probably
grabbed a photo of a Golf-derivative engine bay.
Cheers,
Neil.
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JoelP
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| posted on 22/7/04 at 07:00 PM |
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i could never understand why the golf 4motion was transverse, doesnt seem like the best way to organise 4wd.
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Noodle
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| posted on 22/7/04 at 07:19 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
i could never understand why the golf 4motion was transverse, doesnt seem like the best way to organise 4wd.
Perhaps Mark can clear this up too, but in the old days, Audi's were horribly nose heavy with the engine way out in front so the driveshafts
from the gearbox behind it could reach the front wheels. Hence understeer. Lots and lots of nose-heavy understeer.
Is this still the case?
Neil.
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phelpsa
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| posted on 22/7/04 at 08:19 PM |
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Ahh, I see, thats what made me confused, sorry if I mislead anyone (I supose the original information was misleading). When zilspeed said that the A6
was a passat underneath I thought it was transverse because of that picture.
Adam
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gjn200
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| posted on 22/7/04 at 08:45 PM |
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Does'nt the new MK thingy use an audi engine and transaxle?
<- Me!
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JoelP
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| posted on 22/7/04 at 09:16 PM |
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yep, thats an engine from audi 80 and 100. longtitudinal FWD back then.
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zilspeed
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| posted on 22/7/04 at 09:19 PM |
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Understeer and inline engines.
Mine has the inline engine hanging right out the front - and it's a diesel into the bargain. So - it weighs tons.
Fortunately, mine also has the permanent 4wd version of 4motion. Audi know it as Quattro IV.
Mine will ultimately understeer - no surprise there - but it takes a huge amount of persuasion to do so. I'm up to just over 18000 miles now and
will be needing a set of tyres in the next 6 weeks / 2 months and for the first time ever, all 4 tyres have almost identical wear.
I do give them a hard time though :-)
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 22/7/04 at 09:33 PM |
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This is really going to get complicated.
The 4 wheel drive systems were divided into two section, quattro and syncro, basically quattro was audi and syncro VW. Quattro for performance, and
syncro for ploughing fields.
When the two brands combined technologies, but separated their dealerships, the differences became very blurred. The Passat, A4, Skoda Octavia are
basically the same car, but the Passat and Octavia used Golf derived mechanicals (transverse) and the A4 carried on with the in line engines.
The Golf 4motion and the TT (same floor pan) had the same system, based on the old Golf syncro system which is transverse. The T2 transporter also had
the syncro system but not related to the front engined system. The T4 transporter also had a syncro system which was not related to anything.
In sumary there are more 4x4 sytems than you can shake a stick at, some related some not, some transverse, some in line, some rear engined - which is
fine as long as you dont have order parts for tha damn things like I have to!
Wish I hadn't started this, it always gives me a headache, why can't they just do one system for each floorpan?
German efficiency? B0ll0cks
Yours - now going for a lie down
Mark
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