carnage_uk
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 posted on 3/8/04 at 02:56 PM |
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I'm new and need help!!
Rite first... Hiya all as I'm new to the site
I'm 15, almost 16 and looking for a automotive project, I've already replaced the engine in my last car and have a fair bit of
knowlegge.
Basicaly I am looking at building a locost and wanted some questions answering.
1) What's the cheapest you can build a locost for not including the price of the engine/transmission?
2) Can they be road legal? If so what tests do they have to pass?
3) Can a car engine such as the K-series be used as I already have a spare wiring loom, ecu, gearbox and block.
4) Is it dificult to build and is there any specialist tools needed?
Cheers
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carnage_uk
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| posted on 3/8/04 at 03:04 PM |
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also the kit I'm looking at is the stuart taylor locoblade.
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phelpsa
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| posted on 3/8/04 at 03:06 PM |
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1) Probably £800-£1000 if you build the chassis yourself.
2)Yes, they have to pass SVA (single vehicle aproval) and MOT (can't remember what that stands for).
3) Yes, as you probably know, caterham use these engines and they can be had from 1.1-1.8 VVC.
4) there are plenty of specialist tools needed, welder, rivet gun etc. (can't be bothered to type them all out but you will find out when
you start your build).
Adam
(p.s. I am 13)
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phelpsa
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| posted on 3/8/04 at 03:07 PM |
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Stuart Taylor Locoblade, the cheapest would probably be around £4000 fully built, my car has an ST IRS rear end.
Adam
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ned
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| posted on 3/8/04 at 03:08 PM |
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MOT = Ministry of Transport
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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phelpsa
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| posted on 3/8/04 at 03:09 PM |
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Adam
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carnage_uk
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| posted on 3/8/04 at 03:15 PM |
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Wow 13 I've been into cars seriously since about that age but never had the balls to do sumin like that, well done, Also you must have balls of
steel to race a gsrx1100 hillclimber at that age.
Why would you say the stuart taylor would be that expensive? The chassis is £500, same again for the body pannels. Then it's just hubs,
suspension and brakes. I already have driveshafts and bucket seats. Also it would probably be the 1.6k for road use 130-140bhp is enough for me!
Would you reccomend any other make of locost?
Cheers Pete
[Edited on 3/8/04 by carnage_uk]
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 3/8/04 at 03:17 PM |
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but its not actually been called that for years
its summat like
HM vehicle inspectorate certificate of road worthyness
or similar
atb
mr pedantic
btw- its easy to spend nearer 3k on a locost..........if your not really careful, or are in the lest bit picky
can be done tho!
[Edited on 3/8/04 by stephen_gusterson]
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phelpsa
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| posted on 3/8/04 at 03:25 PM |
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That would be completely on the road, wheels, tyres, interior, lights etc. run up a huge bill aswell. I would go for a ZX9R engine if I were going ST,
talk to colibriman about cheap bike engines. The K-series is a good idea though, very light and tuneable.
My car isn't finished yet (well, not even at rolling chassis) so it should be ready by the time I am 16 (old enough to have my racing
liscence). I am putting the gsxr 1100 engine in it because it is quite possibly the most tunable bike engine you can get, turbo kits, big bore
blocks (1500cc!!!) and many other things.
Adam
P.S. I have been into anything with wheels or an engine since I was about 5, I have had a quad bike (which I wasn't that bad at) and in the end
persuded my dad to buy me a set of bits and a part built chassis.
[Edited on 3/8/04 by phelpsa]
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JoelP
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| posted on 3/8/04 at 03:43 PM |
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your dad rocks adam! mine bought me a hacksaw when i was 13, yours got you started on a kit car!
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phelpsa
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| posted on 3/8/04 at 03:46 PM |
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Yes, but I had to buy the hacksaw
Adam
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derf
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| posted on 3/8/04 at 04:02 PM |
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You lucky bastards, my dad made me stay away from his tools completely, let alone let have a hacksaw. I got my first licence when I was 16, then
moved from New York City to NJ 3 months after that, where they wont issue you a liscence until your 17, and even then your only allowed to drive
between like 630 am and 1000pm, with no passengers under the age of 21 (crock of horse pooh it is), and I really didnt start to get into cars until I
moved down to Georgia when I was 19, and had already been driving for 3 years.
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phelpsa
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| posted on 3/8/04 at 04:05 PM |
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Not even a junior hacksaw
Adam
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Cita
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| posted on 3/8/04 at 04:06 PM |
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My dad not allowed me to even look at his "tool"
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 3/8/04 at 04:21 PM |
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oi derf,we arnt lucky,you have cheap fuel and V8,s we have speed cameras and beirut stylie dirt tracks for roads
who cares who wins
pass the pork pies
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phelpsa
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| posted on 3/8/04 at 04:38 PM |
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You don't have corners
Adam
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derf
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| posted on 3/8/04 at 07:05 PM |
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wanna bet we have corners, you try going in a straight line anywhere (except for major highways, granted they arnt much of turns, but they are there,
plus if you know the right road you can really have lots of fun.
Plus I plan to race in SoloI, in the PA Hill Climb Series, almost looks like these guys might have
some fun!
Oh yeh, cheap fuel (it's still cheaper than by you guys, haha!!!) I'm paying over $2.00US a gallon, about $1.20UK, V8's, all we have
are antiquated pushrod engines, yes they make power, but they are heavy and huge, and eat fuel, give me a turbo 4 anyday
[Edited on 3/8/04 by derf]
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 3/8/04 at 07:19 PM |
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now thanks to the chineese fuel prices are going up again
who cares who wins
pass the pork pies
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Peteff
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| posted on 3/8/04 at 07:46 PM |
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They need it for their cigarette lighters .
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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timf
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| posted on 4/8/04 at 07:36 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by derf
I'm paying over $2.00US a gallon, about $1.20UK[Edited on 3/8/04 by derf]
yeah but its not a proper gallon
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 4/8/04 at 07:38 AM |
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i think like most thangs american a US gallon is bigger
who cares who wins
pass the pork pies
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 4/8/04 at 07:55 AM |
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The US gallon is smaller... because their pint is smaller... 16 fl.oz. instead of 20 fl.oz.
David
[Edited on 4/8/04 by David Jenkins]
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 4/8/04 at 08:57 AM |
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k
who cares who wins
pass the pork pies
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stressy
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| posted on 4/8/04 at 07:48 PM |
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Kseries in ST
Hi Pete,
I reckon K series is a good plan. Any k in a locost will go V.well.
As a word of caution, i have never seen one fitted in a ST chassis, you may find it pokes rather high out of the bonnet, cos although its a VERY light
engine its quite tall and also quite wide at the bottom end. ( you have one so you know what shape it is)
The other things to bear in mind are that you will need a bellhousing, clutch arm, starter etc...not a problem but it will cost a few quid.
You may also find that to get it tested and approved for road use (Single vehicle approval test) you need to fit the cat. Again not a huge problem but
wrth considering.
Anyways mate, hope this is helpful, good luck.
Cheers
Chris
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phelpsa
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| posted on 5/8/04 at 11:01 AM |
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You'll need one of these:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=72205&item=7914647453&rd=1
Adam
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