scootz
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| posted on 24/10/11 at 01:29 PM |
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Scots LCB'ers... How Would You Vote?
Well guys... ???
No need to make comment if it makes you uneasy, but would be interested to see the numbers!
It's Evolution Baby!
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scootz
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| posted on 24/10/11 at 01:30 PM |
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PS - By all means debate away from all corners of the UK & NI, but can we keep the poll-vote only open to Scots.
It's Evolution Baby!
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Humbug
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| posted on 24/10/11 at 01:39 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scootz
PS - By all means debate away from all corners of the "UK & NI", but can we keep the poll-vote only open to Scots.
So NI is not part of the UK then? 
[Edited on 24.10.2011 by Humbug]
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scootz
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| posted on 24/10/11 at 01:44 PM |
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Sorry GB & NI... where's the red-faced smiley when I need one!
It's Evolution Baby!
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Hector.Brocklebank
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| posted on 24/10/11 at 01:46 PM |
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It should be open to REAL Scots to choose only, but you will get the non-birth-Scots (other nationals who live there) and as such feel just because
its where they choose to reside that they too should get a say in things.
Having seen such a scenario first hand from a very indignant Non-Scot who attempted to "advise" on how we should be running things who was
no to pleased to be told by another Scot to "shut it" !!!
Personally build the Wall nice and high, have immigration laws that would shame the Australians !!!! put meters on the oil lines going south and
charge 30 odd year back tax..
And yes many (mainly the English) will say what happened in the past, should be past, (and to a point i agree) BUT in reality history proves the
English raped and pillaged its way across the world and the Celts have long memories and VERY good history teachers !!!!
Im just going to grab my shovel and dig a fox hole !!!!
Tongue in cheek 
FREEDOM !!!!!!!
[Edited on 24/10/2011 by Hector.Brocklebank]
Some people can never handle the truth and always try to shoot the messenger instead of taking an honest look in the mirror (its always easier to
blame another than to face reality), but secretly they wish they could grow a pair and be the messenger !!!
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Daddylonglegs
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| posted on 24/10/11 at 01:56 PM |
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When I saw the title I was thinking it was a vote to see if people would use a Scottish-only LCB forum! Doh!
I was all geared up to say that it would be a shame to lose all that quick-witted banter we get from our NOTB buddies 
Oh, and as far as the vote goes, does it really matter? The governments will always do what they decide anyhow, look at the EU thing in the press at
the moment ......
It looks like the Midget is winning at the moment......
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SeaBass
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| posted on 24/10/11 at 01:59 PM |
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lol. Hector is such a voracious Scot he f'ed off to Thailand!
I'm not a Scot by birth but do live in Scotland (just!) by absolute choice. I feel I should have a voice in what happens... but I'm no
evangelist.
[Edited on 24/10/11 by SeaBass]
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scootz
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| posted on 24/10/11 at 02:03 PM |
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... and open to Scots residents!
Basically, if you're permitted a vote on the referendum, then please vote on the poll!
It's Evolution Baby!
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jabbahutt
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| posted on 24/10/11 at 02:06 PM |
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So would I be correct that the situation the Scots find themselves in now is directly tied to the Darien scheme of 1693 where the Scots desperate to
mirror the English colonies success and wealth from trade overseas nearly bankrupted the country which was a major factor in the treaty of union on
1707?
If the Scots want complete independance they should be allowed to have it along with the Welsh but only if they are completely self financing. After
all at the moment it's only England where you pay for perscriptions & University education as two examples.
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Hector.Brocklebank
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| posted on 24/10/11 at 02:23 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by SeaBass
lol. Hector is such a voracious Scot he f'ed off to Thailand!
I'm not a Scot by birth but do live in Scotland (just!) by absolute choice. I feel I should have a voice in what happens... but I'm no
evangelist.
[Edited on 24/10/11 by SeaBass]
I got fed up being ruled by the "auld enemy" (but in reality those who know me, know why i left the country)
As for the second point.... I rest my case
The decision of who should decide upon Scotland's future should be made by Scots only, not "incomers" as your called
But we are all on this rock together and cant really help where we are born .
[Edited on 24/10/2011 by Hector.Brocklebank]
Some people can never handle the truth and always try to shoot the messenger instead of taking an honest look in the mirror (its always easier to
blame another than to face reality), but secretly they wish they could grow a pair and be the messenger !!!
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SeaBass
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| posted on 24/10/11 at 02:42 PM |
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I have to say it's not an attitude that's new to me - try moving to a tiny village in the Borders and not being labelled and incomer.
People are very surprised when you, an incomer, want to make a positive contribution to the local community.
It's going to be very interesting to see how it develops.
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big-vee-twin
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| posted on 24/10/11 at 03:10 PM |
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Personally the vote should be the other way round.
Ask the English if we want Scoltand as part of the UK.
If Scotalnd was independant who do you think would have bailed out the RBS!!
Scotland would be at the Euro table with a begging bowl just like Greece.
Anyway we have found oil in the Faklands now so we dont need Scottish oil any more!!
Long live the Union
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Daddylonglegs
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| posted on 24/10/11 at 03:26 PM |
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This could warrant a BIG bag of popcorn......
It looks like the Midget is winning at the moment......
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Chippy
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| posted on 24/10/11 at 03:28 PM |
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Fine, have independance should you feel thats the way to go, the only request that I would make is to take all the scots currently in the Parliament
back with you, (and Oh! boy there are loads). Just my two penath, :-) Cheers Ray
To make a car go faster, just add lightness. Colin Chapman - OR - fit a bigger engine. Chippy
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Simon
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| posted on 24/10/11 at 03:57 PM |
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An interesting aside in the debate is the 49 labour Westminster MPs, who would be chucked out of the HoP, making the Tories no longer need the
Agnostics, sorry LibDems for a majority
Cheers
ATB
Simon
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Hector.Brocklebank
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| posted on 24/10/11 at 04:00 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by big-vee-twin
Personally the vote should be the other way round.
Ask the English if we want Scoltand as part of the UK.
If Scotalnd was independant who do you think would have bailed out the RBS!!
Scotland would be at the Euro table with a begging bowl just like Greece.
Anyway we have found oil in the Faklands now so we dont need Scottish oil any more!!
Long live the Union
PLEASE PLEASE let the English decide to throw Scotland out of the union the sooner the better.
RBS has not been ruled 100% by Scots for a long time... If it had been it wouldn't have allowed its (miss) management to buy
"toxic" AMERICAN debts...
And to be correct it was American owned companies who initially found oil in the Falklands in the mid to late 90's it was found but decided at
the time due to the depth of water it was laying in that technology precluded its economic recovery.. but now the continual thirst for oil need to be
slaked and its time to go back and dig about with new technology.
How do I know this ? well I spent 6 month freezing my nuts off there in 1997/98 with sheep getting prettier by the day !!!! with Western Atlas (now
Barker-Atlas) running wireline logging services, and you can be sure the yanks made pretty sure the rights for that were pretty well stitched into
their back pockets for a rainy day...... long long ago.
So at least do a bit of homework first before you begin..... (starting with how you spell Scotland)
[Edited on 24/10/2011 by Hector.Brocklebank]
Some people can never handle the truth and always try to shoot the messenger instead of taking an honest look in the mirror (its always easier to
blame another than to face reality), but secretly they wish they could grow a pair and be the messenger !!!
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Hector.Brocklebank
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| posted on 24/10/11 at 04:05 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Chippy
Fine, have independance should you feel thats the way to go, the only request that I would make is to take all the scots currently in the Parliament
back with you, (and Oh! boy there are loads). Just my two penath, :-) Cheers Ray
Didnt you know that Gordon Brown (and all Scots MP's in England) are TRUE Scottish Patriots they attempt(ed) to Destroy "The Auld
Enemy" in the best way possible, from within !!!!
[Edited on 24/10/2011 by Hector.Brocklebank]
Some people can never handle the truth and always try to shoot the messenger instead of taking an honest look in the mirror (its always easier to
blame another than to face reality), but secretly they wish they could grow a pair and be the messenger !!!
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craig1410
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| posted on 24/10/11 at 04:45 PM |
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I voted to forget the whole thing and go back to Westminster. I just think the Scottish government is a big waste of money in its current guise and
the parliament building is a joke! I say this as a proud and patriotic Scot but I can't feel proud of the Scottish parliament I'm
afraid.
Betting our future on oil is a short term strategy at best although renewables might be a stronger long term case, especially tidal power and wave
power. On the whole I don't think independence would work as we Scots have a proud history of bickering amongst ourselves.
Also, as a conservative voter with strong beliefs in working for a living and being allowed and encouraged to accumulate wealth based on hard work and
job/enterprise creation, that pretty much rules out wanting to be governed by the usual suspects in Scotland. That said, Salmond doesn't seem a
bad guy and has exceeded my expectations but I think at the moment, in order to compete with the likes of Germany and France in Europe, we need to
keep the union together. I say that as a euro-sceptic but unfortunately the last government gave away so much power to Europe that we need to go along
with it for a while until things settle down.
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blakep82
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| posted on 24/10/11 at 05:07 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by craig1410
I voted to forget the whole thing and go back to Westminster. I just think the Scottish government is a big waste of money in its current guise and
the parliament building is a joke! I say this as a proud and patriotic Scot but I can't feel proud of the Scottish parliament I'm
afraid.
Betting our future on oil is a short term strategy at best although renewables might be a stronger long term case, especially tidal power and wave
power. On the whole I don't think independence would work as we Scots have a proud history of bickering amongst ourselves.
Also, as a conservative voter with strong beliefs in working for a living and being allowed and encouraged to accumulate wealth based on hard work and
job/enterprise creation, that pretty much rules out wanting to be governed by the usual suspects in Scotland. That said, Salmond doesn't seem a
bad guy and has exceeded my expectations but I think at the moment, in order to compete with the likes of Germany and France in Europe, we need to
keep the union together. I say that as a euro-sceptic but unfortunately the last government gave away so much power to Europe that we need to go along
with it for a while until things settle down.
i agree, don't know why we can't be as patriotic as the americans with their united states.
personally, I think alex salmond is hell bent on independance that he hasn't actually worked out what to do if he gets it. so far i think
he's making a lot of promises he can't sustain.
as for RBS, during my 'sentence' there, i learned that RBS is actually registered as an English bank, therefore if independance happens,
scotland loses that too i think. there's no industry here any more, oil, yeah, but aren't all the oil companies registered in england too?
whats he going to do about a currency? military/defence? setting up all this can't be done with the tax freezes, no uni fees, and a population
of only 5 million or so.
i think he's got a pretty blinkered view on it all, but his promises are winning voters over, be interesting to know now what wil happen if it
goes ahead.
and the way he behaved when he insulted that other politician and then refused to appologise for it when confronted by all the other parties, he was
very childih about it. seems he will only disagree with anything and everything westmisnter decide.
doesn't matter what it is, he always goes the other way.
what happens to labour, tory, lib dem and all the rest if independance goes through? are we then stuck with only SNP? where's the democracy?
i don't trust him in the slightest.
thing is, mum and dad from essex, moved up here before about 2 months before i was born, i was born in greenock, but got a essex accent, what does
that make me?
and lets not even start on how well the whole tram project is going, and what a great decision by the scottish government(s) was... can't
remember which one started it though?
[Edited on 24/10/11 by blakep82]
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mad4x4
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| posted on 24/10/11 at 05:12 PM |
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Independance - won't work, were too small with too much oil and no Army - Prime target for invasion.... bit like Kuwait.
Scot's do it better in Kilts.
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scootz
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| posted on 24/10/11 at 05:19 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mad4x4
Independance - won't work, were too small with too much oil and no Army - Prime target for invasion.... bit like Kuwait.
It's Evolution Baby!
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Hector.Brocklebank
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| posted on 24/10/11 at 06:25 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mad4x4
Independance - won't work, were too small with too much oil and no Army - Prime target for invasion.... bit like Kuwait.
Ah but like Kuwait we still hae a wee bit o oil left laddie, so the yanks might just come to make sure it keeps flowing their way too
Some people can never handle the truth and always try to shoot the messenger instead of taking an honest look in the mirror (its always easier to
blame another than to face reality), but secretly they wish they could grow a pair and be the messenger !!!
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plentywahalla
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| posted on 24/10/11 at 06:49 PM |
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So you get your independence and then the oil runs out. Are you going to ask to be bailed out again just like in 1707 and let back in?
It's all a nonsense because ultimately small countries cannot prosper in a world which is coalescing into large trading blocks, which is why
being part of Europe is essential to the UK's property.
I am proud of being a mongrel, one quarter Welsh, one quarter English, two quarters Irish! So I certainly don't qualify to vote in your poll.
But if you go back in history we are all mongrels. The true celts that you will only allow to vote in your poll, started in Central Europe and
migrated to Britain only to be pushed into Ireland and Scotland by the Romans. Then the 'English' who you accuse of raping and pillaging
Scotland were mainly of Norman (French) descent and later
Dutch.
At what point in history do you decide that was the correct demography to return to? Why can't we forget all this nationalist nonsense and all
prosper together!
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scootz
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| posted on 24/10/11 at 08:01 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by plentywahalla
The true celts that you will only allow to vote in your poll...
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It's Evolution Baby!
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 24/10/11 at 08:34 PM |
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Whichever way it goes go that way, from what I understand there's a nice middle ground where the Scots have a say in what happens in England,
but the English have no say on Scottish goings-on
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