Hey-Guido!
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| posted on 10/1/12 at 08:28 PM |
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S2 Chassis Plans
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Confused but excited.
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| posted on 10/1/12 at 08:36 PM |
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Very interesting first post.
Welcome.
Tell them about the bent treacle edges!
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austin man
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| posted on 10/1/12 at 08:43 PM |
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Would you like to embelish
Life is like a bowl of fruit, funny how all the weird looking ones are left alone
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scootz
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| posted on 10/1/12 at 08:44 PM |
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I can't see it working...
It's Evolution Baby!
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 10/1/12 at 08:49 PM |
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These short posts always confuse me, I can never find the link, and everyone else seems to know what is going on except me!
If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
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daniel mason
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| posted on 10/1/12 at 08:52 PM |
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you will be confused if your looking for a link. was just someones first post and i imagine it should have been put in wanted section!
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mangogrooveworkshop
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| posted on 10/1/12 at 08:56 PM |
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S2 plans are really S3 plans with even less tubes
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scudderfish
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| posted on 10/1/12 at 09:16 PM |
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Hey-Guido!
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| posted on 10/1/12 at 10:26 PM |
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S2 Chassis Plans
Sorry. Sorry. Sorry.
Forgot title and after adding it thought it might get linked to original message - which obviously it didn't. Lost 2nd effort in edit, so this
is third try.
How Do,
Not really one for joining things or asking for help - but there's a first time for everything, I suppose.
Many moons ago I got Ron's book and got quite excited at the thought of building a seven-type. Got steel for the chassis and a few other parts
and sometime later got a welder. I then thought that if I wars going to build a Locost than what I really wanted to do was build a Prisoner S2
replica. I had no idea how Ron's chassis compared and without a computor and internet access, things came to a halt.
Still no computor but internet access on mobile I can now see. Numerous links to S2 chassis but have only found the Pat Prince & George Cushing
drawings that give actual dimensions. Some have built their chassis with them, but others say they are riddled with inaccuracies. Some also say a
Locost chassis is ao ocean away from a Lotus. I'm just going round in circles.
Found a couple of references to drawings here from Mangogrooveworkshop ( Thanks) in response to Skydivepaul's posting of a really nice Seven
back in Nov. 2010. Couldn't understand how anyone - Alan B. - could see it as " a piece of s--t". It's classic British
engineering. The other mention was by Bare. Just wondered if anyone had any thoughts.
Is there anytěng that matches an Escort axle? The only thing I've read of is a Lada Riva.
Thanks
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DavidM
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| posted on 10/1/12 at 11:16 PM |
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The locost chassis is based on the design of the widebody westfield. The S2 Lotus chassis is completely different. The S2 Lotus used in the Prisoner
was a 1500 cosworth engined car, using a Standard (car company, not std.) axle. Suspension configuration was also different to a locost and it used
Triumph steering.
David
Proportion is Everything
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designer
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| posted on 10/1/12 at 11:31 PM |
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Just build a car and colour it as in the series.
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Bare
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| posted on 11/1/12 at 03:09 AM |
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Take the Prince drawings and the Cushing ones and ..Find.. the errors in the prince ones There's More than few.
This IS a skill testing exercise.
IF you cannot spot the problems .. perhaps building a chassis is not for you??
Several have built from the Cushing drawings.. they are directly derived from DSK's own Frame jig... as were Princes' but the drafter on
the Prince drawings was either inept or genuinely dyslexic.. as a simple explanation, lots of transposed number's and pieces.
Ron's chassis is a bit of a joke IMO Having said that, hundreds have been successfully/happily built.
Problem is that the Locost versions just look 'wrong' .
Small children spot them as 'odd' from dozens of meters away.. usually smirk if not outright laugh.. true.
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snapper
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| posted on 11/1/12 at 05:52 AM |
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Question is..........
Do you want to build a kit car that looks like an old S2 Lotus or do you want to build a replica S2 Lotus.
Big difference.
quote:
Small children spot them as 'odd' from dozens of meters away.. usually smirk if not outright laugh.. true
That's strange, all the small children that see my car say "Wow nice car Mr" and have probably never seen a real Lotus 7, they may
have seen the Caterham replica but can't tell the difference.
[Edited on 11/1/12 by snapper]
I eat to survive
I drink to forget
I breath to pi55 my ex wife off (and now my ex partner)
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D Beddows
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| posted on 11/1/12 at 09:17 AM |
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I take it you've come across - Lotus Plans Linky
I have a full size copy of the drawings in 'Blueprint.zip' halfway down the page. Last time I tried drawing them up in CAD I seem to
recall everything worked (more or less) BUT there are no suspension details and I've never come across any on the internet so you're
potentially going to have an interesting time with that unfortunately..........
As said above I'd build a 'book' Locost and change one or two things to make it resemble a Lotus (eg sloping the cockpit top side
rails, Ford Popular pedal box etc etc) - it's been done pretty successfully several times in the past. Whatever you do you're not going to
have a S2 Lotus 7 at the end of the day anyway and with a modified Locost you'll probably actualy end up with a better car when it's
finished.
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Alan B
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| posted on 11/1/12 at 08:28 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Hey-Guido!..............( Thanks) in response to Skydivepaul's posting of a really nice Seven back in Nov.
2010. Couldn't understand how anyone - Alan B. - could see it as " a piece of s--t". It's classic British
engineering.....................
Just to clarify, and without referring back to the post in question (due to CBA) , Skydivepaul and I are good mates...so when he posts something
evidently gorgeous it's quite normal for a me as a mate to respond with " a piece of s--t"
Hope that clarifies things...
Alan
[Edited on 11/1/12 by Alan B]
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Hey-Guido!
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| posted on 11/1/12 at 09:57 PM |
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S2 Chassis Plans
Thanks for the replies; the information about the Cushing & Prince drawings was interesting. At the moment all I can view them on are my Archos
605 media player with its 4.8 '' screen and which requires zooming the image a very small section at a time so its actually quite
difficult to get an idea of what's what. Nevermind.
I can appreciate the difference between building something that looks like a S2 and building a S2 replica which, in an ideal world, is what I'd
like. At the end of the day it all comes down to the practical considerations of cash, time and availability of parts. If I could get the
chassis/body/interior right, I might be happy with that. But that still leaves the question of what drive-train to use. Bit surprised that MX5s are
being used. Basically, is it not a modern-day Elan?
Alan B. - I take your point.
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mangogrooveworkshop
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| posted on 12/1/12 at 12:54 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by D Beddows
I take it you've come across - Lotus Plans Linky
I have a full size copy of the drawings in 'Blueprint.zip' halfway down the page. Last time I tried drawing them up in CAD I seem to
recall everything worked (more or less) BUT there are no suspension details and I've never come across any on the internet so you're
potentially going to have an interesting time with that unfortunately..........
As said above I'd build a 'book' Locost and change one or two things to make it resemble a Lotus (eg sloping the cockpit top side
rails, Ford Popular pedal box etc etc) - it's been done pretty successfully several times in the past. Whatever you do you're not going to
have a S2 Lotus 7 at the end of the day anyway and with a modified Locost you'll probably actualy end up with a better car when it's
finished.
Ive got drawings with both but we would have to copy them on a plan copier
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D Beddows
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| posted on 12/1/12 at 08:35 AM |
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For what your trying to achieve the only option really is a decent Ford Crossflow on twin 40's with a 5 link English Axle at the back (rather
than the rather unpleasant 'A' frame affair used by Lotus and early Caterhams). For extra authenticity I'd try to use Triumph
Vitesse ( aka Alford & Adler) uprights at the front, add a set of Ford Anglia steel wheels and you'll be well on your way!
What you're doing is something I seriously considered for quite a while so I wish you the best of luck with it! 
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