Dick Axtell
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 posted on 31/3/15 at 04:57 PM |
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Blacktop 1.6 Preparation Qs
OK - Where to start? Firstly, what will be essential to keep. and what can be disposed of, e.g. via the 'Bay?
As a starter, I reckon the power steering and air con pumps can go. Looks like the inlet stuff is still attached, but will be checking over that later
this week.
Work-in-Progress: Changed to Zetec + T9. Still trying!!
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Ugg10
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| posted on 31/3/15 at 05:53 PM |
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Can you confirm whay engine you mean by a 1.6 blacktop, is this the focus/fiesta/puma zetec SE aka sigma, if so what age as later morphed into a
duratec vct version. (inlet on the passengerside in a rwd installation).
But typically, people junk the powersteering pump, aircon pump, you may need to do something with idler wheels to keep the tension with those gone.
Exhaust and inlet depend on the application and if it is the zetec SE then depending on rear bulkhead clearance you may needto look at the coil
mount/water manifold. Smaller alternators are also sometimes a swap item.
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1968 Ford Anglia 105e, 1.7 Zetec SE, Mk2 Escort Workd Cup front end, 5 link rear
Build Blog - http://Anglia1968.weebly.com
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JAG
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| posted on 31/3/15 at 06:00 PM |
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Hi Dick,
I'd be binning all the ancillaries apart from the Alternator and Starter motor.
What are you doing for fuel/air?
Carburetors?
Fuel injection?
Single throttle body or individual throttle bodies?
The exhaust manifold may be useable, in that I think they have a tubular Steel manifold, and can probably be modified to meet up with whatever system
you intend to fit.
More details please 
Justin
Who is this super hero? Sarge? ...No.
Rosemary, the telephone operator? ...No.
Penry, the mild-mannered janitor? ...Could be!
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Dick Axtell
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| posted on 31/3/15 at 07:15 PM |
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Blacktop
Right - This example is a Focus Zetec SE 1.6. According to the seller, it was a replacement unit for the car of one of his customers. Previous engine
had suffered a critical failure. This engine outlasted the car, which had reached the MoT end-of-life status. Have yet to locate the serial number.
My plan is to use Kawasaki ZZR600 carbs eventually, and maybe run with standard carb initially, just to get running. No exhaust available, so
that's another item on my shopping list.
I've been referring to Paul Toyne's site (http://www.toyne.org.uk/zetec.html) for info re the Zetec installation. But I'm
always happy to hear from others who have previously installed a Zetec.
If the air con and power steering pumps are removed, the existing drive belt would then be over-long. Is there an alternative Ford part which could be
used?
[Edited on 31/3/15 by Dick Axtell]
Work-in-Progress: Changed to Zetec + T9. Still trying!!
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Jenko
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| posted on 31/3/15 at 07:44 PM |
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1st thing to say is Paul Toynes site is based on a zetec rather than a zetec SE (otherwise known as a sigma). Two completly different engines in
everyway.
I used a puma engine in my build (basically the same engine as the 1.6), You can use a 'non power steering / air con' drive belt from a
1.25 fiesta. this will fit perfectly when the power steering and air con are removed. Re carbs....Honestly, I would go for Throttle bodies and be done
with it as you have all the sensors needed already on the engine.
If you look atthe first few months of my blog, there is some info on this engine, and some of the thinks to overcome.
[Edited on 31/3/15 by Jenko]
MY BLOG - http://westfieldv8.blogspot.co.uk/
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Dick Axtell
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| posted on 31/3/15 at 07:51 PM |
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Jenko, thanks for your advice. I'll check out your blog, over the next few days.
Work-in-Progress: Changed to Zetec + T9. Still trying!!
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Paul Turner
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| posted on 1/4/15 at 08:02 AM |
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The 1.6 Sigma engine is totally different to the Blacktop.
With the Blacktop you can bolt a type 9 strait on using the original Pinto or X-low bellhousing using a pinto or x-flow starter, all simple and cheap.
With the Sigma its far more costly using aftermarket parts.
Sumps for the Blacktop are available for sources such as Scholar for under £300 and are a proven product, sumps for the Sigma are more costly.
Out of the crate, totally standard with a pair of 45's the Blacktop will produce 165 bhp, with a set of throttle bodies its more like 175 bhp.
The Sigma needs quite a bit of costly work to produce this power level.
The list goes on.
But the Sigma is lighter and smaller than the Blacktop so is better in some applications because of this.
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Ugg10
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| posted on 1/4/15 at 08:37 AM |
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Just so there is no confusion -
Early Mondeo/Escort Zetec-E engines = silvertop
These engine fit the standard ford gearbox bolt pattern, exhaust on passenger side (for UK RWD), iron block, ally head, one piece ally sump, hydraulic
lifters, 1.6/1.8/2.0 version, early versions (pre'95) do not need cat for IVA I think, removing the ac/PS pumps need to use a early escort non
AC/PS water pump (turns the other way)
Later Mondeo/Focus Zetec-R Engines = blacktop
Updated version of silvertop - solid lifters, two piece sump, 1.8/2.0l version (IIRC) - still available as new crate engines, need to think about
water pump direction, there are fixes out there for this.
Focus ST170
Badged duratec but a basically a modified 2.0l blacktop with variable valve timing, better flowed head and stronger crank
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Zetec_engine
Fiesta/Puma/Focus engines ('99-04) = Zetec SE / Sigma
Designed by Yamaha for ford, also used in the Mazda 3 and Volvo V40/S40/C30. All alloy engine (v small, v light), exhaust on driver side (for UK RWD),
1.25/1.4/1.6/1.7 version, 1.7 has variable valve timing, does not fit standard ford gearbox bolt pattern, need bespoke bellhousing (Shawspeed, RWD
motorsport, Caterham, Westfield, Tiger), 1.7 has a non standard spigot bearing cavity that needs boring out. Later 1.6 version in focus added variable
valve timing and were badges Ti-VCT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Sigma_engine
Duratec
Replacement for blacktop in 1.8/2.0 Mondeo/Focus, 2.3/2.5 version also available. All alloy, non standard gearbox bolt pattern, exhaust on drivers
side. Also used in Gen 3 MX5
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_L_engine
Hope this clears up terminology.
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1968 Ford Anglia 105e, 1.7 Zetec SE, Mk2 Escort Workd Cup front end, 5 link rear
Build Blog - http://Anglia1968.weebly.com
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Ugg10
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| posted on 1/4/15 at 08:46 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Dick Axtell
My plan is to use Kawasaki ZZR600 carbs eventually, and maybe run with standard carb initially, just to get running. No exhaust available, so
that's another item on my shopping list.
[Edited on 31/3/15 by Dick Axtell]
The standard engine does not come with a carb it is an injection engine which has an ECU with passive anti theft system so you need matching ECU, key
and key transponder and needs a bit of fiddling about with the loom to get it to run. If you are planning on bike carbs I would go straight to this
using a Nodiz ecu (there has been a group buy on here for this ecu). But as jenko says, injection is a far better option in the long run, bike
throttle bodies and an ECU (emerald/omes/MS etc.).
Also worth checking the year of the engine as they changed in 2004 on the Focus to ones with variable valve timing which needs to be controlled (via
either the ECU or an aftermarket controller) to get the best out of the engine.
The 1.6 Zetec SE can be fairly easily tuned and has a very good flowed head as standard - Shawspeed SS4 cams, arp rod bolts, HD valve springs,
throttle bodies, ECU and a decent exhaust and you are at around 160hp (175hp for the 1.7) and will rev to 8k. All without opening up the engine.
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1968 Ford Anglia 105e, 1.7 Zetec SE, Mk2 Escort Workd Cup front end, 5 link rear
Build Blog - http://Anglia1968.weebly.com
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cr500dom
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| posted on 1/4/15 at 04:10 PM |
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Sigma 1.6 Zetec SE Induction
I can probably supply you with a Lasercut inlet flange for making a TB / Bike carb Manifold if you like ?
I got as far as designing the flange, and also a flange to suit the bike carbs I had in stock too.
I`m not going to need them now, so If you wanted an induction set up, with an airbox etc just let me know ?
I have supercharged this engine for use in my Kadett
Eaton M45 Charger
Jaguar based Chargecooler brick built into a new inlet manifold
Pace Dry sump system etc etc
I also have a set of direct to head AT Power Throttle bodies in stock too, if I want to set it up initially NA
Cheers
Dom
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Ugg10
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| posted on 1/4/15 at 06:09 PM |
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If you go down the bike injection throttle bodies I am using triumph tripple rs sprint ones (need two sets), these are almist a direct fit with a
simple adaptor plate, similar to the jenvey direct to head ones. Pictures and dimension on my blog.
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1968 Ford Anglia 105e, 1.7 Zetec SE, Mk2 Escort Workd Cup front end, 5 link rear
Build Blog - http://Anglia1968.weebly.com
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beaver34
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| posted on 2/4/15 at 07:05 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by cr500dom
I can probably supply you with a Lasercut inlet flange for making a TB / Bike carb Manifold if you like ?
I got as far as designing the flange, and also a flange to suit the bike carbs I had in stock too.
I`m not going to need them now, so If you wanted an induction set up, with an airbox etc just let me know ?
I have supercharged this engine for use in my Kadett
Eaton M45 Charger
Jaguar based Chargecooler brick built into a new inlet manifold
Pace Dry sump system etc etc
I also have a set of direct to head AT Power Throttle bodies in stock too, if I want to set it up initially NA
Cheers
Dom
have you some pics o your install dom, what power does it make i saw some pics years ago on turbo sport but never saw it finished
thanks
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