red22
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| posted on 17/3/23 at 10:38 AM |
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Mobility Scooter Build Questions
So I'm thinking of building a mobility scooter.
I've been hunting high and low trying to find out a rules governing their construction but coming up blank.
The only things I can find are a general and nothing on build requirements.
As this place is a mine of information does anyone know wether these things come under IVA or MSVA or any email addresses of someone to ask.
Thanks
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cliftyhanger
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| posted on 17/3/23 at 12:55 PM |
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https://www.gov.uk/mobility-scooters-and-powered-wheelchairs-rules
the pavement only ones are limited to 4mph, and that seems to be the only guidance for them.
The 8mph type has more requirements, as per the above link
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red22
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| posted on 17/3/23 at 01:25 PM |
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That's the problem. Is that it are there no more other things to worry about?
Apart from that I can't find any other help.
Thanks
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bi22le
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| posted on 17/3/23 at 02:59 PM |
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Hi,
I worked for a manufacturing company for 11 years design powered mobility solutions (mainly specialist wheelchairs, not high street style granny
scooters)
Depending on what you are trying to do and who is going to use it, depends on what standards you need to meet.
If your idea is sensitive, ping me a U2U otherwise tell us a little more of what you are trying to do and who it is intended for and I can help you
out.
Always ask LCB, probably the best knowledge base on the net!
Track days ARE the best thing since sliced bread, until I get a supercharger that is!
Please read my ring story:
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/forum/13/viewthread.php?tid=139152&page=1
Me doing a sub 56sec lap around Brands Indy. I need a geo set up! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHksfvIGB3I
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adampage
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| posted on 17/3/23 at 03:32 PM |
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I'm surprised....
....nobody's said it needs an old Kart chassis, an office chair on top and a Fireblade engine under the chair!
Good luck either way
Ad
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red22
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| posted on 17/3/23 at 03:42 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by adampage
....nobody's said it needs an old Kart chassis, an office chair on top and a Fireblade engine under the chair
As long as it's under 8mph seems the sky's the limit
No not sensitive at all, it'll be for personal use and built for class 3, range about 10miles(so it's not constantly on a charger). Any
pointers or advice would be great
Thanks
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loggyboy
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| posted on 17/3/23 at 04:38 PM |
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Some more info here
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/879218/Mobility_Vehicle_Users_guidance-document.pdf
Mistral Motorsport
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rf900rush
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| posted on 17/3/23 at 08:54 PM |
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Not sure if is of use to you, but, I have a 4mph Motor/axle , controller and front axle (steering) sat in my workshop.
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red22
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| posted on 17/3/23 at 09:10 PM |
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Thanks for the offer but I think I've got that covered.
Also thanks for the link but it's still just general.
If all I have to worry about is fitting lights, a brake and making sure it's not to wide, piece of cake.
Can't help but thinking there might be more to though, but happy to be proved wrong
Thanks
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nick205
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| posted on 17/3/23 at 09:10 PM |
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Unless you have some unique purpose for it, would it not be more cost effective to buy one ready built. Maybe even a 2nd hand one?
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red22
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| posted on 18/3/23 at 07:16 AM |
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Not really wanting to look like a 70 year granny out shopping plus where's the fun in that
Thanks
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nick205
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| posted on 18/3/23 at 01:58 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by red22
Not really wanting to look like a 70 year granny out shopping plus where's the fun in that
Thanks
Point taken - building yourself you can style yourself too.
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gremlin1234
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| posted on 19/3/23 at 07:39 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by red22
Not really wanting to look like a 70 year granny out shopping plus where's the fun in that
Thanks
for the different look, I would recycle an existing chassis and powertrain, and build my own bodyshell on it.
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red22
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| posted on 19/3/23 at 08:07 PM |
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Ah, this is why I would like to find more info on construction requirements as I definitely don't want to be running bodywork
Thanks
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nick205
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| posted on 20/3/23 at 02:34 PM |
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I can see not wanting to have "bodywork", but I'd bet there's plenty of moving parts and electical parts to be covered for
safety's sake.
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Prof_Cook
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| posted on 20/3/23 at 07:58 PM |
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The relevant introductory legislation is https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1988/2268/contents/made
This links on to various other legislation, but within this, to be a Class 2 mobility scooter there are some definitions in this legislation such as:
Class 2 invalid carriage shall not exceed 113.4 kilograms
So you need to keep within this weight limit, if above it (and within the Class 3 weight limit of 150Kg) then such a class 3 "vehicle" would
need a V5 and also need to have stuff (horn, rear view mirror, and a flashing amber light for dual carriageway use!) fitted:
https://www.gov.uk/mobility-scooters-and-powered-wheelchairs-rules/rules-for-class-3-mobility-scooters
But if not an actual "Mobility Scooter" (if you don't adhere to the various definitions) then you could be running the risk of it being
considered by the authorities as a Powered Transporter:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/powered-transporters/information-sheet-guidance-on-powered-transporters
[Edited on 20/3/23 by Prof_Cook]
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SteveWalker
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| posted on 21/3/23 at 12:41 AM |
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I know that there have been cases (which came to nothing) of mobility scooters designed to look like motor-trikes being stopped by the police. So it
looks like weight and speed are the important factors and what they look like only determines whether people might think that they are illegal.
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red22
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| posted on 21/3/23 at 11:07 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by nick205
I can see not wanting to have "bodywork", but I'd bet there's plenty of moving parts and electical parts to be covered for
safety's sake.
Don't panic I have owned more than a few death trap motorbikes over the years and still have the required amount of body parts, also I don't
make a habit of wearing billowing dresses or overly fairy jeans.
It should qualify as a mobility scooter but falling under falling under MSVA wouldn't be a problem as there is nothing controversial. The only
issue is finding small e marked tyres. Even hunting for class 3 ones still brings up stuff that are marked "not for highway use", even
though they obviously are.
Thanks
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gremlin1234
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| posted on 21/3/23 at 07:36 PM |
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as well as the construction of the vehicle, they are only to be used by people with mobility issues.
"Can anyone use a mobility?
The law states that a Class 2 and Class 3 vehicle may only be used by a
disabled person, or by a non-disabled person who is demonstrating a vehicle
before sale, training a disabled user or taking the vehicle to or from a place for
maintenance or repair. In addition, a Class 3 vehicle can only be used by a
disabled person aged 14 or over. A disabled person in this context is someone
with an injury, physical disability or medical condition which means that they are
unable to walk or have difficulty in walking. "
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/879218/Mobility_Vehicle_Users_guidance-document.pdf
[Edited on 21/3/23 by gremlin1234]
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red22
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| posted on 22/3/23 at 05:58 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by gremlin1234
as well as the construction of the vehicle, they are only to be used by people with mobility issues[/url]
[Edited on 21/3/23 by gremlin1234]
That'd be me then.
Thanks
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cliftyhanger
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| posted on 22/3/23 at 08:18 AM |
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Nobody has yet mentioned the elephant in the room.
Is there a reason to build rather than just buy?
It seems even almost new mobility scooters are well priced, probably substantially less than the cost to buy everything.
I know people on here are into making/building stuff, but here I do question the sanity!
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red22
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| posted on 22/3/23 at 10:04 AM |
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Not really wanting to look like a 70 year granny out shopping plus where's the fun in that
Thanks
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Prof_Cook
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| posted on 22/3/23 at 12:54 PM |
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James Bond Vehicle
If I needed one I would look to build something like the "moon" buggy in that James Bond film....... complete with remote control arms to
pick stuff off the high shelves.
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