Jonte
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| posted on 27/5/05 at 10:43 AM |
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Pinto vs Cosworth size
I´ve got a standard 2.0i 100bhp pinto in my Indy now, but I wan´t to have something more fun under the bonnet 
So my question is. Should I tune the Pinto or can I replace it with a Cosworth engine?
The thing is that I don´t know anything about the 4 cylinder Cosworth engine.
- Will I need to make new engine mounts?
- Is the exhaust on the same side as the Pinto?
- Does it fit my Type9 gearbox?
- Anyone have the measures of the engine (wxhxd)?
and so on.....
[Edited on 27-5-05 by Jonte]
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 27/5/05 at 10:47 AM |
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I think the bottom ends externally are pretty similar, and I seem to recall that its actually possible to put a Cossie head on a Pinto block, although
Im not sure how easy that is. Have a google for "Pintworth" which is what they seem to be nicknamed 
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 27/5/05 at 10:51 AM |
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On second thoughts forget google as it comes up with precisely zero, although there's some stuff on the WSCC about it
here
Chris
[Edited on 27/5/05 by ChrisGamlin]
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ned
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| posted on 27/5/05 at 10:55 AM |
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are you thinking naturally aspirated or turbo?
a n/a will fit to a type 9, though for big power you'd need to fit a quaife kit. a turbo engine will require a t5 box to take the torque. n/a
heads can be put on a pinto block, but best starting with a good 205 block i've heard, also bear in mind if the head is off a turbo engine it
may need port work and cams to make it suitable to run n/a.
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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ethomas
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| posted on 27/5/05 at 10:55 AM |
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As far as I know, the Cosworth YB engine (from the Sierra and Escort) was based on the 205 pinto block, so it should be a perfect fit, bear in mind
you will have a turbo to fit in there (unless you go NA) as well as the fuel injection gubbins but you should be fine.
You will want a T5 gearbox as well, I imagine the Cossie will melt a standard Type 9 in fairly short order.
Cheers,
Ed
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jambojeef
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| posted on 27/5/05 at 11:00 AM |
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Pinto Turbo Manifold
I've got a pinto turbo manifold to fit a garrett t3 if you're interested? Its about to go on ebay but if you're interested....?
Geoff
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andyb64
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| posted on 27/5/05 at 11:18 AM |
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The exhaust is on the drivers side of the engine. I don't know how that compares to a Pinto. I agree with Ned / ethomas about the gearbox you
will need the T5 and compared to a T9 they are huge. I had to modify my tunnel to get one in. I can get you some measurements over the weekend if
you like ( Engine and Gearbox )
Andy...
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Jonte
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| posted on 27/5/05 at 12:29 PM |
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quote:
The exhaust is on the drivers side of the engine
That will be on your drivers side and on my passenger side
Sounds perfect
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are you thinking naturally aspirated or turbo
I´m was thinking about a natural without turbo.
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as well as the fuel injection gubbins but you should be fine
I´m driving with EFI today and even catalyst 
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I can get you some measurements over the weekend if you like ( Engine and Gearbox )
I´d love it
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ned
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| posted on 27/5/05 at 12:32 PM |
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for a naturally aspirated engien i'd stick with the type9 box, will save a lot of hassle of trying to fit a t5.
depending on he power output you may need to add a quaife or tran-x kit to uprate the internals, but afaik a n/a cosworth will make similar power to a
tuned vauxhall xe, so should cope fine with a straight cut type9 gearbox.
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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NS Dev
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| posted on 27/5/05 at 12:34 PM |
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yep Ned, you are quite right.
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DarrenW
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| posted on 27/5/05 at 02:01 PM |
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I dont know what a cossie would cost you but there are options for a Pinto. Read this thread
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=23342
Dave talks of highly of a 2.2 pinto. Compares it favourably to a Zetec. Not a fortune for the work. Depends on the regs in your country tho' if
you are allowed to modify engines or if you have to fit stock std lumps.
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gazza285
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| posted on 27/5/05 at 02:59 PM |
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Why not fit the MT75 box? Yes its bigger than a Type 9, but has better ratios and can handle a lot more power, and if you get the right box it comes
with a remote lever so you can put it where you want.
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mookaloid
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| posted on 27/5/05 at 03:34 PM |
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Tune the pinto - It's a hell of a lot easier than fitting a cosworth head. you can get some good power and still be reliable for a lot less cost
and hassle.
In my humble opinion of course
Cheers
Mark
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mad4x4
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| posted on 27/5/05 at 03:43 PM |
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What about building a ZVH Zetec bottom with CVH heads. Or go for a 2.0/1.8 zetec with fuel injection.
Scot's do it better in Kilts.
MK INDY's Don't Self Centre Regardless of MK Setting !
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grusks
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| posted on 27/5/05 at 03:56 PM |
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Having raced and built cossies and pinto power cars for years. Its no just as easy as popping a cossie head on a pinto block.
If your just putting on a blower and cossie head on a pinto block, theres compression - valve pockets in pistons - fueling - intercooling wiring and
much more.
As for n/a to get good power your need reprofiled cams, redisgened combustion chambers, up the crompression, 48 or 50 to make decent power.
Ive had 290bhp from a na cossie but with a heavy bill at the end. Should of left the turbo on.
Pinto have a cast block and cossie have the same but with thicker walls (205 block)
4x4 Cossies have a even thicker block (200 block)
Need More Money
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CairB
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| posted on 27/5/05 at 08:25 PM |
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Jonte,
Have you considered a Duratec?
I fitted a 2.3 in my Indy mated to a heavy duty quaife close ratio type 9 box.
They are a relatively light engine. My Indy weighed in at 600kg at SVA with a pinto.
Last night when I checked the corner weights using Ikea bathroom scales, slightly round the clock, it weighed in at 533kg with just a couple of
gallons of fuel down from SVA conditions.
Oh, and with throttle bodies you should see a bit more than 100bhp
Cheers,
Colin
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