buncefm
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| posted on 24/4/06 at 03:52 PM |
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has anyone had a go at fitting a st24, 2.5 v6 duratec into a seven style car? or can it not be done????
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Hellfire
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| posted on 24/4/06 at 04:00 PM |
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Why when a BEC will outperform it? 
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mookaloid
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| posted on 24/4/06 at 04:03 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Hellfire
Why when a BEC will outperform it?
 soooo predictable
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Hellfire
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| posted on 24/4/06 at 04:20 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mookaloid
quote:
Originally posted by Hellfire
Why when a BEC will outperform it?
soooo predictable
DITTO
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Danozeman
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| posted on 24/4/06 at 04:37 PM |
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Didnt someone on here try it ages ago??
Dan
Built the purple peril!! Let the modifications begin!!
http://www.eastangliankitcars.co.uk
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RazMan
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| posted on 24/4/06 at 05:02 PM |
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I've got one in my middy ........... but that's probably no help at all
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
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ady8077
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| posted on 24/4/06 at 05:05 PM |
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Hi
Dont no of any sevens, but Chris Hill has fitted one in a Stylus
Have a look in the members car section here http://www.clubstylus.be/
Adrian
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garyo
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| posted on 24/4/06 at 05:31 PM |
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I'd like to, but have been talked out of it because of the weight. Gone for a Series 3 zetec on throttle bodies instead.
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bilbo
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| posted on 24/4/06 at 05:43 PM |
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This is my first choice of engine, but I haven't yet confirmed if it will be possible. It's certainly not going to be the lightest option
(nor is it that heavy being all alloy), but 200bhp + should be possible without any serious work, cheap to buy as there are loads around and it will
sound glorious
Mating it with a RWD gearbox will certainly be an issue as I'm yet to get a definitive answer on what the bolt pattern is etc. Also the book
chassis will need tweaking for it to fit, but we'll see.
As I'm planning a tourer rather than an out and out blaster, then I think it will be a pretty good option if I can get it to work.
[Edited on 24/4/06 by bilbo]
[Edited on 24/4/06 by bilbo]
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buncefm
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| posted on 24/4/06 at 07:03 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Hellfire
Why when a BEC will outperform it?
whats a BEC then? im pretty new to all this so you'll have to bare with me, i've got the origanal 1300 x-flow from the escort at the mo,
still not finished it so don't know what it runs like.
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garyo
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| posted on 24/4/06 at 07:12 PM |
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It's certainly not going to be the lightest option (nor is it that heavy being all alloy),
Have you weighed one? I'd be interested in a like for like comparison with a Zetec.
Gary
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Marcus
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| posted on 24/4/06 at 07:19 PM |
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Oooh Buncefm, you are new around here aren't you
BEC - Bike engined Car.
Some people swear by 'em, some people swear at 'em!
Either way you ain't going to get more performance for your money. Even a standard fireblade engined seven is capable of a 4sec 0 - 60
sprint.
Good luck on whatever you go with and welcome to the best forum on the 'net
Marcus
Marcus
Because kits are for girls!!
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buncefm
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| posted on 24/4/06 at 07:23 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Marcus
Oooh Buncefm, you are new around here aren't you
BEC - Bike engined Car.
Some people swear by 'em, some people swear at 'em!
Either way you ain't going to get more performance for your money. Even a standard fireblade engined seven is capable of a 4sec 0 - 60
sprint.
Good luck on whatever you go with and welcome to the best forum on the 'net
Marcus
cheers marcus, thanks for updating me with the abbrieviations
ive thought about the BEC's how do you go about the gear box? what can be used and what sort of money can you pick one up for? i have heard
that they are best used on the track and aren't that good at low rpm?
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RazMan
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| posted on 24/4/06 at 07:37 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by garyo
Have you weighed one? I'd be interested in a like for like comparison with a Zetec.
205 Kg according to this flyer
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
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RazMan
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| posted on 24/4/06 at 07:43 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by bilbo
It's certainly not going to be the lightest option (nor is it that heavy being all alloy), but 200bhp + should be possible without any serious
work, cheap to buy as there are loads around and it will sound glorious
I estimate that my ST24 will be making more like 220bhp with a decent exhaust, intake and ignition map. A little whiff of gas for that 'special
occasion' will spice it up to nearly 300bhp which makes the power to weight ratio (700kg for my middy) quite interesting to say the least!
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
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andyd
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| posted on 24/4/06 at 07:43 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by buncefm
ive thought about the BEC's how do you go about the gear box?
It's built onto the bike engine. You get an adaptor to fit on instead of the front sprocket and attach a prop shaft to that. Eh voila.
Andy
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NigeEss
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| posted on 24/4/06 at 07:48 PM |
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Welcome Buncefm,
BECs used the bike gearbox with a propshaft adapter where the drive
sprocket lives. Thus giving a sequential box. Obviously there's no reverse but
there are ways to fit one in the drivetrain.
Most don't bother as becs weigh so little, just push
As for price, well how long is a piece of string !
I paid £300 for a ZZR1100 and some pay £3000 for something like a Hayabusa.
Some say becs are more suited to tracks but it's personal opinion at the end of the day.
Nige
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Tim 45
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| posted on 24/4/06 at 07:52 PM |
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Are you sure 205kg, that sounds a lot compared with the normal Duratec (straight 4) at 95kg. I would have thought that it would be heavier but not
more than twice!
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bilbo
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| posted on 24/4/06 at 07:54 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by RazMan
quote:
Originally posted by garyo
Have you weighed one? I'd be interested in a like for like comparison with a Zetec.
205 Kg according to this flyer
Ouch  That's twice the weight of a Duratec HE (109Kg)
Perhaps I should be thinking again? 
Does anyone know the weight of a Zetec, or for that matter a Pinto?
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Tim 45
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| posted on 24/4/06 at 08:02 PM |
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Duratec HE is about 95 dry
Pinto IIRC is about 150, boat anchor would be lighter TBH but is cheap power
Zetec about 20kg lighter
And well the XE is off the scales
[Edited on 24/4/06 by Tim 45]
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RazMan
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| posted on 24/4/06 at 08:03 PM |
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Yeah but think of all that torque - and the noise! 
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
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Tim 45
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| posted on 24/4/06 at 08:08 PM |
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For all duratec data see here
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Liam
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| posted on 24/4/06 at 08:11 PM |
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Bear in mind that from the pictures that weight looks to include flywheel, exhaust manifolds and cats, big alternator, power steering pump or ac
compressor, beauty covers and maybe even engine mounts. Doubt some of the duratec quotes are that fully dressed. There will be plenty you can junk
of that V6 for sure.
By way of comparison, i put my honda V6 in my car the other week and slipped my precision load cell between the hoist and straps. 126kg including my
steel adaptor plate and the starter motor. I was pleasantly surprised. I still have to add a fabbed inlet plenum and a baby alternator but
that's pinto territory with about 200bhp on megasquirt!! And about 300 when i strap on two little snails
Liam
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tks
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| posted on 24/4/06 at 08:12 PM |
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BEC
900cc bike engine
150Bhp 70Kgs INCL GEARBOX AND CLUTCH...
Tks
The above comments are always meant to be from the above persons perspective.
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Tim 45
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| posted on 24/4/06 at 08:18 PM |
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Duratec 150kg MAX inc gearbox (yes its true, i have seen it weighed)
Easy 200, possible 260bhp
car weight 580kg WET
power to weight roughly 448 bhp/tonne
Smiles all round
2.5 V6 data here
[Edited on 24/4/06 by Tim 45]
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