Fred W B
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 01:11 PM |
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F1 - MS on pole
I don't normally watch FI, prefering to spend the time in the garage, but I watched quali today.
Am I the only one who thinks MS may have messed up that last corner on purpose, to spoil the laps of those still on their last flyer - Witness the
grins in the Ferrari pit as it happened?
Cheers
Fred W B
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 01:20 PM |
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Looked rather suspect to me too, the way he went in tight, turned a bit, then straightened up again to ensure he was nosing into the barrier.
He also looked rather sheepish in the press conference too.....
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stevec
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 01:26 PM |
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I think the siht is on the way to fan as we speak! 
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 01:36 PM |
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I hope so, but Im sure the FIA will step in and ensure Ferrari doesnt get punished 
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stevec
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 01:44 PM |
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Yes they probably will try to protect them , but there seems to be a total disgust at what happened amongst the whole pitlane.
I reckon if the data shows he was playing silly people they will have to nail him, but you never know it could have been a real accident. I dont
think!
[Edited on 27/5/06 by stevec]
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 01:52 PM |
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Yep, I hope they'll see this as too much of a "crime" to ignore
As I mentioned above, as much as anything I think the press conference gives it away. Schumacher was babbling, mixing his words and rather hesitant
when explaining his side of the story, which to me stinks of a guilty concience when compared to his usual demeanor in press conferences and
interviews.
Add that to the timing of the "accident", the odd line and steering input that led to him being stranded against the barrier, and the fact
that his car wasn't damaged in the slightest all adds up to me sniffing out a rather smelly rat.
[Edited on 27/5/06 by ChrisGamlin]
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stevec
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 02:06 PM |
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Spot on, As soon as the first question was asked he looked down to the desk, sure sign of guilt.
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tks
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 02:09 PM |
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In fact
My opinion is that it doesn't matter if he did it on purpose or not.
The question is, that he did something wrong, and as normally in life when you do something wrong in life you get punished! its that simple, speeding
in the pitlane if you do it wrong you get bill and warning...
The effidence:
when watching the video you see at sertain moment, that he looses the brakes, you see the car roll back a very small amount, but then he rapidly
pushes the brakes again.
then in 2seconds laters you see him stalling the car...(while in gear)
I'm sure if he did loosen up the brakes he went backwards and give more room for alonso, or he could haved drivven away.....
in political therms i would abuse him for creating a not safe situation and not willing to undone it...
you clearly see the car wanting to roll back...
we all know that with a small blip on the throttle he could be at the finish line, or at least away from the race line...
my words.
TKs
The above comments are always meant to be from the above persons perspective.
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Johnmor
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 02:39 PM |
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Give the guy a break, he did not win his world championships by cheating.
He had the best time because he pushed his car to the limit and paid for it with cooking his brakes.
He is the only driver that says it as it is, doesent make excuses, doesent blame his team or the marschals or the weather or the coulour of the other
car anything else that comes up.
If Alonso had done that people would just say he was unlucky and it was unavoidable.
Its all part of the sport, if you cant stand the heat stay out of the kitchen.
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stevec
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 02:40 PM |
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What colour is the sky on your planet.
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Syd Bridge
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 02:42 PM |
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MS has publicly admitted to punting Damon Hill, just to make sure that Hill did not win the two championships involved. Damon Hill is still more than
a little 'dirty' about it nowdays.
If MS can do that and get away with it, then what can possibly be wrong with 'parking' on the track to keep pole position?
I sail offshore in racing yachts, and it is not uncommon for the italians to mysteriously gain many miles at night in calm weather, while charging
batteries with their engines 'out of gear'. Italians and Ferrari don't cheat.
Well, not much anyway.
Cheers,
Syd.
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 02:45 PM |
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I'll have an ounce of whatever you're smoking John
quote:
Give the guy a break, he did not win his world championships by cheating.
At least one he did, as mentioned by Syd. If he hadnt taken Damon out when he did, Damon only had to finish the race to become champion because
Michael couldnt have finished with the damage he'd sustained before punting Hill.
[Edited on 27/5/06 by ChrisGamlin]
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zenarcher
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 02:49 PM |
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Ok mistake or no mistake, he did not finish the qualifying session, so should he not start the race at the back of the grid?
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tks
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 02:50 PM |
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be ofjective!!
i don't look at the colour of my sky, ( i don't choose side)
Its not a question of who's on pole.
because who knows if alonso's engine would last the extra push??
its just the question should they punish him or not!!
i think you cant do that wrong on such a moment. its that simple... and if you do it, you cant earn something..
for me earning something and do ing something wrong cant go together....
can he get away with it or should he have some punishment...??
its just that..
i think he needs a couple of seconds on hsis time..or starting out of the pitlane etc.
for a spanish alonso was very very calm..
sow bravo for him to...
also the way he drove to the corner wasn't the race line...
anyway the brakes of that ferrari wil be changed this night because of safety issues... sow don't worry..
Tks
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 02:54 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by zenarcher
Ok mistake or no mistake, he did not finish the qualifying session, so should he not start the race at the back of the grid?
Nope, nothing in the rules to say you have to return to the pits under your own steam at the end of qualifying, even if you crashed out within 5
minutes of the start of the final qualifying, if the time you set isnt beaten you'd still be on pole.
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Johnmor
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 02:55 PM |
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Are you guys realy saying that he won his world championships buy cheating!!!!
I,m not saying he wont push the rules, but everybody else plays the same games.
Lets face it, the guy has been best driver for years, he getting on a bit, but can still show how its done.
Stop using the same old excuses
He has proved that he can take a second rate car and still force faviorite team to race (Mclaren 99-2001).
He is a machine, and if he can win he will win.
All the bookies cant be wrong
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JoelP
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 02:58 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Johnmor
Are you guys realy saying that he won his world championships buy cheating!!!!
no, he won championships by being a good driver in a good car. That has no bearing on whether he cheated today.
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 03:00 PM |
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Like I said, at least one yes, had he not deliberately punted Damon he wouldnt have won the championship that year, although certainly not saying he
won al 7 titles by cheating.
There's no doubt he's got huge talent but there's a big difference between being a great driver and a great sportsman. He is the
former, but certainly not the latter.
[Edited on 27/5/06 by ChrisGamlin]
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tks
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 03:01 PM |
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nah
John,
every one knows that schumacher is like a cat, when its getting warm he makes stange jumps!
with hill was the best example...
i cant believe there are that kind of persons in the world who just ignore this kind of sporting...
and this has nothing to do with rulez ..
what if fisi tomorrow hits the back of schumi, alonso then would win and schumi would get DNF....
there is no rule for that to... would it be acceptable??
just come back from mars and put you in the shoes of alonso are maybe better of the complete F1 team...
you know it cant be leeting done by nothing...
Tks
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zenarcher
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 03:04 PM |
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" If, in the opinion of the stewards, a driver deliberately stops on the circuit or impedes another driver in any way during the qualifying
practice session his times will be cancelled."
If Renault protest then the stewards will have to look at it.
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 03:04 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Johnmor
He has proved that he can take a second rate car and still force faviorite team to race (Mclaren 99-2001).
I think you'll find that last year kinda blew that agrument out the water and reinfoced the view that however good the driver is you look
decidely average unless the car is pretty competitive.
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Johnmor
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 03:12 PM |
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Ok
Lets give everybody the same car, and the same team support.
Who's your money on!
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 03:19 PM |
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If you re-read the thread, I don't think you'll find anyone questioning Schumacher's skill as a driver, and if all the drivers were
put into the same car I have no doubt he'd be at or near the front. Even the best driver put into an average car won't win though, thats a
fact.
Anyway, skill has nothing to do with sportsmanship, which is what this thread is questioning.
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 03:32 PM |
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Have a look at this footage. He's going so slowly that he obviously hasnt lost the back
end, then takes the tight line and turns into the apex. At this point he appears to realise he CAN make the turn, so straightens up again to ensure he
can't make the turn.
That second straightening up I cannot explain other than to ensure he couldnt make the turn, the speed of the car was very low so there's no way
he lost the back end and needed to correct, and he was past the apex / barrier as he did this, so it wasnt as if he had to take avoiding action to
prevent hitting the inside barrier.
[Edited on 27/5/06 by ChrisGamlin]
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Johnmor
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 03:34 PM |
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I accept that some of his actions are verging on the point of blatent poor sportsmanship.
But he has been punished before and if he breaks the rules he will recieve a punishment.
Dont say the FIA are bias, look at the tyre debacle last year, if you cant make a fast tyre dont race!
I think part of the problem is that he has been in the spotlight for years and any discrection is pounced on instantly as deliberate and intentional.
(as this page shows)
If you put other drivers under a similar spotlight they would also come out smelling less sweet. That includes Coultard, Hill, Hakinen e.t.c.
I wont defend deliberate acts of cheating, but the jurys not back yet.
Maybe hes just been around too long.
"Cant teach an old dog" etc
Its just because he's about my age, I like to see the old guys kick ass
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