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stulad

posted on 14/8/06 at 08:16 PM Reply With Quote
banned cellelose

Am i right in saying that cellelose will be banned in october ?
if that is the case and i want to spray my car myself in a garage attached to the house , what will be the way forward as i understand it all paint will be water based but im guessing the laquer still has cyanide in it and specialist equiptment needed , if so were does that leave us the hobbiest ?
cheers stu

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theconrodkid

posted on 14/8/06 at 08:19 PM Reply With Quote
buy the paint and thinners now....thats what ill be doing if its true





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stulad

posted on 14/8/06 at 08:26 PM Reply With Quote
yepp thats exactly what i plan to do
found this thread in ph

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=293312&f=90&h=0

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=83869&f=23&h=0&hw=cellulose

problem will be if you ever damage your car and need it resprayed ,will need a complete respray as cellelose will not be available (guess an insurance job), wonder were it will leave classic cars ??
this country is so screwed up

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stulad

posted on 14/8/06 at 08:39 PM Reply With Quote
will that be available for home use ?
and is it dangerous ?

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stulad

posted on 14/8/06 at 08:57 PM Reply With Quote
did you order your paint online ?
if so were from , i would prefer a laquer based paint
cheers stu

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John Bonnett

posted on 15/8/06 at 12:10 PM Reply With Quote
There is a European move to ban the sale of cellulose and thinners in about a year's time. The vintage car lobby are applying pressure to keep it available so we have every hope they might succeed.

It would be a good idea in any event to buy what you need now. because what we can be sure of is that the price will not come down so as in most cases, "Stock is better than money".

John

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Mark Allanson

posted on 15/8/06 at 06:58 PM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by CaLviNx
quote:
Originally posted by stulad
will that be available for home use ?
and is it dangerous ?


Im just about finished painting a a Rover 25 in metallic silver using polyurethane, and its availble from "jewel" paints to the home user, and im just using a cartridge filter mask with no ill effects whatsoever. just throw on loads & loads of clear coat,flat it back and polish, viola a deep deep high glos finish.



I think you might mean polyester!





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Mark Allanson

posted on 15/8/06 at 08:23 PM Reply With Quote
If you specifically asked for a paint to cover GRP, then he may have given you PU, I have only ever seen it used on boats.

Barseal is normally a product of last resort, you can bury other peoples mistakes with it to prevent reactions with unknown substrates.

You cannot bat using all the products from one manufacturer, so you end up with a paint system, not a selection of mismatched coats all fighting against each other.





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Mark Allanson

posted on 15/8/06 at 08:26 PM Reply With Quote
This is really helpful when choosing a colour
http://www.sxcolor.info/scripts/colorinfo.dll/getpage?b=1&m=001&l=3&page=home





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Dutchman

posted on 18/8/06 at 12:15 PM Reply With Quote
you will allways have the internet and order it from eastern europe or USA.

I'm from Serbia and for shure in next 10 years thay will not forbide anything here

I'm usin acrilic and poliurethane paints and some time poliester base coats, all of this can be spreyed in garage with just a mask ...





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Syd Bridge

posted on 18/8/06 at 03:38 PM Reply With Quote
I had need to buy some clear on Wednesday, so asked about this ban on paint.

The reply went along these lines......

Most of the paint which they (my supplier) now sell meets the new 2007 criteria. High solids and low VOC's. They are allowed to keep buying the old type paints all this year, and will then be able to sell this until stocks run out.

The primers will still be HC thinner based! (Yes) And so will the lacquers. The colours are the only paint to come into the new rules with any inconvenience. And, as I was told, the paint which they now sell can be used with a water system, OR thinner.

So, the news is not as bad as some might want it to be.

Cheers,
Syd.

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stulad

posted on 18/8/06 at 06:26 PM Reply With Quote
cheers Syd that sounds a little more promosing , so i dont need to rush out and buy a stack of paint yet , there will still be an alternative available for the home pain job ?
many thanks stu

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Syd Bridge

posted on 19/8/06 at 09:34 AM Reply With Quote
I knew I forgot something...The very best bit....After telling me the bits above...I was told that the restrictions ONLY applied to the motor trade!

AND, they would still be able to sell the older type paints for INDUSTRIAL use.

SO, the cellulose or solvent based paint that you require should still be available, but for industrial use.

As we are all building machines, and not cars, then paint should not be a problem.

With a wink, I was told that they would be selling all car colours and paints, in normal amounts, for use on farm machinery!! There's gonna be some real pretty combines down here in a year or so.

Cheers,
Syd.

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posted on 20/8/06 at 06:45 AM Reply With Quote
Cellulose Availability

My impression was that the big suppliers will stop supplying (our local supplier said that ICI Belco will stop, but that is no bad thing at 70 a litre!)

But it would still be available from specialists.

Anyway we use 2K at home now.

John

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TangoMan

posted on 20/8/06 at 05:31 PM Reply With Quote
I had an update letter from the VBRA this week.

It confirms that Cellulose will be restricted from next year but will still be available to registered vehicle restoration businesses. It does not go into detail about what qualifies a restoration business but I guess some sort of licence will be issued.

If the product is still available to market then there will always be a way of getting hold of it.

Having said that, I am not sure why anyone would want to use it as it is old technology and not as flexible as modern finishes.





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Mark Allanson

posted on 20/8/06 at 05:43 PM Reply With Quote
All the major (quality) manufacturers will stop making it due to the lack of demand. As I said previously, 2K only has 11 months to go before it too will be unavailable





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