Arthur T
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 posted on 24/1/07 at 08:14 PM |
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Why buy Weber’s when bike Throttle bodies are so much cheaper?
I am confused!!! (easily done)
If webers cost ₤250+ second hand pounds the you have to buy a manifold why don’t more people use bike throttle bodies at ₤60
New?
What is the Big difference if you have a 2ltr Zetec and need engine management any way?
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ed_crouch
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| posted on 24/1/07 at 08:17 PM |
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Cos they like the bling...
Also, not having to do EFI is an advantage for those who arent into the elecktrickeryvoodoo.
Fortunately, I am!
Ed.
I-iii-iii-iii-ts ME!
Hurrah.
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Arthur T
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| posted on 24/1/07 at 08:19 PM |
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are they a lot of work to setup?
would they work on a Mega squirt system?
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bimbleuk
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| posted on 24/1/07 at 08:20 PM |
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... and why go to the expense of buying an engine then adding ITBs when Toyota supply you a free set with every 4AGE 20V 
Apart from the cost carbs can be relatively simple to setup and install for someone with limited experience with electronics.
For some reason my Corolla with twin Dellortos has always been the best sound I remember from my many cars.
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DIY Si
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| posted on 24/1/07 at 08:27 PM |
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Or just use bike carbs. Better than webbers, easier to many then ITBs are.
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Arthur T
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| posted on 24/1/07 at 08:29 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by bimbleuk
... and why go to the expense of buying an engine then adding ITBs when Toyota supply you a free set with every 4AGE 20V
(i do not want to go off on a tangent but can i fit a 4AGE 20V to a type 9? how much can i get one for?)
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MattCraneCustoms
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| posted on 24/1/07 at 08:44 PM |
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well I'm currently after a set of GSXR 750 / 1000 TB's, but they don't seem that cheap now. prices on ebay seem to have gone through
the roof. It must be the demand from you lot . . .
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flak monkey
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| posted on 24/1/07 at 08:48 PM |
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Set of webers dcoes, filters, linkage and manifold: Under 200 squids.
Last time I checked Boggs wanted about £300 for a bike carb conversion. TBs are cheaper initially until you buy the electronic gizmory that you need
to run them...
All depends on how hard you look for the parts as to how much you pay.
Plus a big fat pair of carbs looks nicer 
http://locostbuilders.co.uk/upload/Engine%20run.jpg
David
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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jacko
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| posted on 24/1/07 at 09:33 PM |
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Only tonight on hear there is a set of zx9r bike carbs for £45 make your own manifold about £15 £60 pound all in  you cannot go wrong
Jacko
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Arthur T
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| posted on 24/1/07 at 09:38 PM |
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so they are as good but they require more work to get them to be as good.
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auzziejim
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| posted on 24/1/07 at 09:41 PM |
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i have built a running bike carb setup on my pinto for a total cost of £32
i agree webers do seem to be a waste of money when bike carbs are so cheap.
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flak monkey
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| posted on 24/1/07 at 09:49 PM |
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Fair play if you can make your own manifold. Then of course TBs/bike carbs are the way to go. And what I would have had had I been needing carburation
at the moment in time...
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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zetec7
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| posted on 25/1/07 at 01:31 AM |
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I went for Webers, after spending time reading up on carbs. It's a lot more complex than just sticking them on there...ever looked at the
needle in a bike carb? Ever realized that there is not just one taper to it, but as many as 7 or 8 at various points along the needle? That's
to provide optimum mixture at various points in the flow range of the carb, based on things like air flow rate, air pressure, etc., and all optimized
for a specific engine (which the engineers have spent millions to get right). Stick them on a totally different engine with different needs, and what
are the chances you'll do better than (or even close to) Honda or Yamaha at mixture control??? They're going to be right for the engine
they were designed for, but that's all. Webers were designed for car engines from the start. I would imagine Ferarri would have used bike
carbs if they were better than Webers...
http://www.freewebs.com/zetec7/
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scotmac
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| posted on 25/1/07 at 03:08 AM |
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Plus a big fat pair of carbs looks nicer
Hmmm...can't say i agree that anything looks nicer that an aggressive set of ITB's...tho these aren't bike TBs:
 
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Memphis Twin
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| posted on 25/1/07 at 10:56 AM |
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CV bike carbs are basically modified SUs which use a diaphragm instead of the SU's piston/dashpot assembly. Unfortunately there isn't
room for 4SUs side by side...
What you REALLY want is a set of Keihin or Mikuni Flatslides. Thottle response is sensational as they have accelerator pumps, (like Webers) but work
on the principal of a rising slide (like CVs) so that gas speed is always maximised (if you have a sensitive right foot!)
Fuel consumption may be a little heavy, but who gives a funk about that!
Chris.
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 25/1/07 at 11:31 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by DIY Si
Or just use bike carbs. Better than webbers, easier to many then ITBs are.
Only downside is the lack of expertise in tuning them. i.e. unless you live close to Boggs you might have to hunt around a fair bit to find a rolling
road operator than can set them up nicely.
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mcerd1
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| posted on 25/1/07 at 03:00 PM |
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I went for bike carbs (ZX9R for bogg bros) don't know what they are like yet though
even if I have to go to Yorkshire to get them tunned they still workout cheeper than any second hand webbers I've seen recently (it should at
least be a good driving in the Yorkshire back roads )
I've seen new webber 45's selling for £350 each - anyone know what the cost of a new Keihin or Mikuni is ?
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