speedyxjs
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 posted on 3/4/07 at 01:57 PM |
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DVLA Help please!
Following on from this thread, i emailed the dvla about re-registering my donor car so
that i can get an age related plate, and they sent me this (sorry its alot of reading):
Thank you for your email.
I should firstly mention that DVLA Swansea can only answer general enquiries regarding the registering of vehicles. Specific enquiries regarding the
procedures or documentation required must be directed to the DVLA Local Office where the application will be made.
Registering Rebuilt, Radically Altered Vehicles and Kit Cars
Before a vehicle is used or kept on the public road it must to be properly licensed and registered. When a vehicle is first registered, the Driver and
Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) allocates a registration mark which has to be properly displayed and this remains with the vehicle until it is broken
up, destroyed, permanently exported or transferred to another vehicle in what is known as a "cherished transfer."
Sometimes, however, a vehicle needs to be rebuilt and this can call the identity of the vehicle into question. Is it the original which has simply
been repaired or have so many new or different parts been used in the rebuilding process that the original vehicle has been effectively broken up?
In allocating a registration mark to a rebuilt vehicle, the Agency's main interest is to establish whether or not the vehicle is newly
constructed with no previously registered identity (in the present form). Vehicles, which have been substantially rebuilt, need to be examined by one
of the DVLA Local Offices. NB A Vehicle Identity Check (VIC) will apply to those vehicles notified to the DVLA as being written off on or after 7
April 2003. For information please refer to INF133 available from the Vehicle Operator Services Agency (VOSA). Information is also available from the
VOSA Website www.vosa.gov.uk.
Any vehicle, which has failed VIC, will not be entitled to retain its original registration mark, DVLA Local Office will allocate a 'Q'
registration mark and an Enhanced Single Vehicle Approval (ESVA)/ Single Vehicle Approval (SVA)/ Motorcycle Single Vehicle Approval (MSVA) certificate
will be required.
If however, a VIC application is rejected by VOSA, DVLA Local Office will need to inspect the vehicle in order to allocate an alternative registration
mark. ESVA/SVA/MSVA will be required.
A. Vehicles that have been rebuilt using a mix of new/used parts.
In order to retain the original registration mark:
· Cars and Car-Derived Vans must use:
The original unmodified chassis or unaltered bodyshell (i.e. body and chassis as one unit - monocoque); or
A new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the same specification as the original supported by evidence from the dealer/manufacturer (e.g. receipt)
And two other major components from the original vehicle - see list below
· Suspension (front & back)
· Axles (both)
· Transmission
· Steering Assembly
· Engine
If a second-hand chassis/monocoque bodyshell is used, the vehicle must pass a ESVA/SVA test after which a "Q" prefix registration number
will be allocated.
N.B Vehicle Identification Check
From 7th April 2003, all cars and some tricycles (e.g. Robin Reliant) that are written off by an insurance company or declared scrapped by their
owners due to accident damage will have to be notified to DVLA.
VIC has been introduced to deter criminals from disguising stolen cars with the identity of written off or scrapped ones. The check is designed to
help confirm that the vehicle being returned to the road has been repaired following accident damage and has not been stolen.
For further information contact the Vehicle Operator Services Agency Website on www.vosa.gov.uk.
o Motorcycles must use:
· Unmodified Frame (original or new)
And two other major components from the original vehicle
· Forks
· Wheels
· Engine/gearbox
If a second-hand frame is used the vehicle must pass a Motorcycle Single Vehicle Approval (MSVA) test after which a 'Q' prefix
registration number will be allocated.
B. Radically Altered Vehicles
This covers vehicles which are substantially altered from their original specification, but which are not kit conversions.
In these cases the vehicle components used from the original vehicle will be given a numerical value and, in order to retain the original registration
mark the vehicle must score eight or more points.
If less than eight points are scored or a second-hand or modified chassis or altered monocoque bodyshell is used an ESVA/SVA/MSVA certificate will be
required to register the vehicle and a 'Q' prefix registration number will be allocated.
The following values will be allocated to the major components used:
Points
Chassis/body shell (body and chassis as one unit - monocoque)* (original or new) = 5
Suspension = 2
Axles = 2
Transmission = 2
Steering Assembly = 2
Engine = 1
*Direct replacement from the manufactures
NB. Where there is evidence that two vehicles have been welded together to form one (i.e. 'Cut and Shut' a 'Q' mark will be
allocated. ESVA/SVA/MSVA will be required.
Vehicle Identification Number
This is a legal requirement for all vehicles used on the public highway to carry a Vehicle Identity Number (VIN). This may be lost when a vehicle is
substantially rebuilt, particularly in the case of kit vehicles where the chassis/bodyshell may not have been stamped by the manufacturer. In such
circumstances the DVLA Local Office will allocate a replacement VIN.
The DVLA Local Office will issue an authorisation letter and registration will not take effect until the Agency receives confirmation that the vehicle
has been stamped with the correct identity.
Registration of Vehicles without Identity
The following procedures must be followed when making application for the registration and first licensing of a vehicle without identity
· You should use your nearest DVLA Local Office.
Applications from outside a DVLA Local Office's catchment area will be refused;
· You will be asked to produce your driving licence as proof of identity and address;
· You will be asked to produce official receipts from identifiable suppliers for the components used in a rebuild. The authenticity of receipts may be
checked. They will be stamped by the DVLA Local Office before return;
· All vehicles without identity (VIN and registration mark) will be inspected by DVLA and referred to the police.
These arrangements have been introduced in an effort to combat vehicle crime. Applicants who rebuild vehicles and can prove the origins of the
components need not be concerned. However, if the police believe a vehicle to be stolen DVLA will refuse to register and it may be impounded.
Prospective purchasers of vehicles without identity are advised to exercise caution. If a vehicle is suspected of being stolen both it and the money
paid for it may be lost. Advice for prospective purchasers of vehicles (The car buyers Guide) is available from Crime Prevention Officers and DVLA
Local Offices.
C. Kit Cars
Where all the parts of a vehicle are supplied new by the manufacturer. Subject to the provision of satisfactory receipts and a Certificate of Newness
these vehicles will be registered under a current registration mark.
Kit cars which been built using not more than one reconditioned component will also be registered under a current mark. This is subject to the
provision of satisfactory evidence that the component has been reconditioned to an "as new" standard. An ESVA/SVA/MSVA test will be
required. For details of the SVA scheme, please see Import Section.
D. Kit Conversions
This is where a kit of new parts is added to an existing vehicle or old parts are added to a kit comprising a manufactured body/chassis/monocoque
bodyshell. The general appearance of the vehicle will change and result in a revised description on the registration document/Certificate.
A vehicle will retain its donor registration mark if either the original unmodified chassis or unaltered monocoque bodyshell and two other major
components are used.
If a new monocoque bodyshell or chassis from a specialist kit manufacturer is used (or an altered chassis/bodyshell from an existing vehicle) together
with two major components from a donor vehicle, an age related mark will be assigned. The mark will be based on the age of the donor vehicle. An
ESVA/SVA/MSVA test will be required to register the vehicle.
Where there are insufficient parts from a donor vehicle or in cases where the original registration mark is unknown, an ESVA/SVA/MSVA certificate will
be required to register the vehicle and a 'Q' prefix registration number will be allocated.
If you would like us to send you the form V55/5 you will need to register the vehicle and an information leaflet INF 26 "Re-built, radically
altered vehicles", please provide your full address details.
Regards
Mrs S Meredith
Is it just as simple as filling out a V55/5?
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whitestu
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| posted on 3/4/07 at 02:11 PM |
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You'll still nee to SVA it - I got an age related plate with a scrapped donor.
Stu
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 3/4/07 at 02:17 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by whitestu
You'll still nee to SVA it - I got an age related plate with a scrapped donor.
Stu
I know il still need to sva it. How did you get an age related plate with a scrapped car?
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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whitestu
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| posted on 3/4/07 at 02:39 PM |
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I just told the local DVLA person that all the bits came from the same car - [I knew the registration number].
Initially she said I would get a Q plate.
I questioned her on this and when she couldn't come up with a good reason why I shouldn't get an age related one she gave in and issued
the reg.
I had the chassis plate as well, with the right engine number on it
Stu
[Edited on 3/4/07 by whitestu]
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 3/4/07 at 02:49 PM |
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What is this? 'Quest for the holly number plate'! Why can't they just give us a stupid number, one number per car, that's it.
If you owned a car and scraped it then you should be able to use that number on another one so long as you've informed them of the differences
and that's the only number it has.
What is so difficult??? Such a load of nonsense counting points and Q plates. All its really for is to keep paper pushers in work.
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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whitestu
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| posted on 3/4/07 at 03:22 PM |
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I agree - they just make work for themselves.
I can understand the DVLA wanting to stop ringers etc, but some of the rules just don't make sense.
The daft thing is I wouldn't have minded having a Q plate, but started arguing with them when their reasoning seemed flawed.
Stu
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DavidM
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| posted on 3/4/07 at 03:41 PM |
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The reply you received is standard DVLA registration information from one of their leaflets. It seems to me that in order to re register your donor,
they will need to inspect it, so it follows that if they can't do that then you won't be able to.
Do you know the registration of the donor? If so have you tried applying for the log book? You can get a form from the post office. You might be
lucky. After officially scrapping my donor it took several letters before they eventually took it off the system.
David
[Edited on 3/4/07 by DavidM]
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 3/4/07 at 03:44 PM |
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Luckily the car has the rear numberplate still intact. Il try that first.
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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robinj66
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| posted on 3/4/07 at 05:19 PM |
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When you apply to register your car, you have to complete a V627/1 (Built Up Vehicle Inspection Report). on that form you declare where the parts used
in your creation come from. Since you have the donor registration then you declare your parts as coming from that vehicle - no problem. if DVLA ask
for a V5 for the donor, tell them it was scrapped - it'll make no difference to you and they can always check their records to ensure it
actually has been scrapped.
On this basis I can't see that you will have much of a problem.
PS This is based on my dealings with maidstone and I accept that other local offices may have different approaches
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 4/4/07 at 03:34 PM |
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Ok, iv just been down to the post office and picked up a v5c, and it says i can get out of paying the £19 if the car has been declared as salvage by
an insurance company. The guy i brought it from had declared it as scrap. Is that the same or should i just send the £19 and hope that if it is wrong
they will just send it back?
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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a.goodarzi
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| posted on 12/4/07 at 03:16 PM |
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pre 1973 tax exempt
Many thanks for your previous articale. If the donor vechile was tax exempt and the kit car end up wit this registeration. Does the kit car become tax
exempt too?
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Peteff
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| posted on 12/4/07 at 04:00 PM |
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Not if you rebuild the parts into a new, different type chassis.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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