richard thomas
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| posted on 25/8/07 at 12:22 PM |
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Shogun vs Discovery?
I'm looking at one or the other as a family/tow car.
Plus points for disco - spares availability, plenty around.
Plus points for shogun - huge inside, 3.2 di-d engine economical, reliability.
Anyone's opinions on either more than welcome.
Ta,
Rich.
[Edited on 25/8/07 by richard thomas]
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stevec
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| posted on 25/8/07 at 12:31 PM |
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Had a V6 Shogun, had it 4 years, NOTHING went wrong with it.
I did hear the earlier Turbo Diesel ones were as thirsty as hell though.
LandRover " Cars from Hell" Just my opinion.
Steve.
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andyharding
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| posted on 25/8/07 at 12:33 PM |
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I nearly bought a 4x4 for carting building materials to my house. I would have had a Shogun. Discos keep breaking.
Are you a Mac user or a retard?
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britishtrident
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| posted on 25/8/07 at 02:06 PM |
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With Discos a lot depends on the model engine option and year.
Other thing do you really need something that big look at what Honda are offering..
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procomp
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| posted on 25/8/07 at 02:31 PM |
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Hi well having a lot of friend that work in the landrover plant. And hearing all the things that go on and the bodges that are used.
I dont think i would even consider one.
However just been reading the what car towcar awards 2007. And the oveall winner is a Volkswagen passat 2.0 TDI 4 motion estate.
cheers matt
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richard thomas
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| posted on 25/8/07 at 02:43 PM |
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I'm restricted by the fact that it needs to be a 7 seater, and heavy due to the load I tow. That's why i'm leaning towards a big
4x4.....
I had heard that the discovery can be a bit unreliable - on the other hand spares are in abundance.
The shogan is reliable, however spares have to come from japan.
whichever i get, it'll need to be pre 2001 as well, road tax increase cut off point....
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zetec
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| posted on 25/8/07 at 05:20 PM |
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Toyota Landcruiser 3ltr diesel. A mate has one very reliable and towed the MK on a big transporter with ease. 7 seats.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 25/8/07 at 06:52 PM |
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If you go pre 2001 consider a a Rangey Diesel or a gas conversion --- more than 4 years old prices are much lower than you might expect.
For some reason build quality is much better than the Disco.
The one to really avoid is the Jeep Cherokee -- everyone I have come into contact with had major rear axle problems at anything over 70,000 miles.
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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adithorp
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| posted on 25/8/07 at 07:01 PM |
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Go for the Shogun. There's a reason why the parts are less plentifull; they aren't needed!
Adrian
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mookaloid
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| posted on 25/8/07 at 07:04 PM |
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Another vote for the Landcruiser - drives better than the shogun and is streets - no miles and miles and miles ahead of the discovery.
IMHO of course
Cheers
Mark
"That thing you're thinking - it wont be that."
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COREdevelopments
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| posted on 25/8/07 at 07:52 PM |
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third vote for the landcruiser. if you can afford it go for the vx amazon. they are beasts and will pull your house down if ever you needed too!!!
shogun would be 2nd choice,
i would not even consider a discovery unless i loved breaking down and enjoyed repairing the pile of crap
[Edited on 25/8/07 by COREdevelopments]
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ecosse
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| posted on 25/8/07 at 08:21 PM |
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Not sure why everyone is so down on the disco's, my TD5 has 170,000 mls on it now, and still running sweet on the original engine, box and axles
(it'll prob break tomorrow now I've said that  )
My mate has had 2 shoguns, both of which cost him fortunes in repair bills, and got less to the gallon than the TD5 does 
So there 
Cheers
Alex
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caber
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| posted on 25/8/07 at 08:23 PM |
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How about a Range Rover Classic pre soft dash airbags and electronic nightmare. Cheap to buy lots of parts if you look after it properly it will be
reliable. Disco 1 similar though more rust prone. Best engine for either is the 300TDi later ones too electronic. V8 with a good gas kit, basically a
sequential for any injected engine, is cheaper to run than the diesel and sounds nice!
Caber
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ricklawn
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| posted on 25/8/07 at 08:57 PM |
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2.8 nissan patrol, 7 seater . no problems what so ever in a few years of ownership. 
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Chippy
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| posted on 25/8/07 at 10:15 PM |
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I know absolutely zero about the Shogun, but a lot about the Disco. I would buy the Shogun, even though I have no knowledge of it. Because even if
it's bad, it CANT be worse than the alternative. IMHO. Regards Ray
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richard thomas
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| posted on 26/8/07 at 12:07 AM |
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Ta, lads.
To be honest I really want a 110 defender county but swmbo won't entertain it
How much does a gassed V8 range rover (or disco) really do to the gallon (equivalent)? I like them a lot, but 10 to the gallon equates to 20 to the
gallon on gas - still quite thirsty...
Brain and common sense is telling me japanese, but i do love a landy....
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britishtrident
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| posted on 26/8/07 at 08:56 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ecosse
Not sure why everyone is so down on the disco's, my TD5 has 170,000 mls on it now, and still running sweet on the original engine, box and axles
(it'll prob break tomorrow now I've said that )
My mate has had 2 shoguns, both of which cost him fortunes in repair bills, and got less to the gallon than the TD5 does
So there
Cheers
Alex
I have seen a lot of bad Discos but also a lot of good ones.
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Ian Pearson
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| posted on 27/8/07 at 06:14 PM |
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I spent ages researching the Disco. I had wanted one since they were first produced. came to the conclusion that there was too much to go wrong.
See this link: DISCOVERY
I now have an 80 Series Landcruiser. It's a serious towing machine, quite thirsty, but I've converted it to run on vegetable oil. A
fantastic machine, an earlier version of the Amazon. Mine is 16 years old, but you'd never know.
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richard thomas
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| posted on 28/8/07 at 07:07 AM |
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What's the score with veg oil? Is it just stuff from the chippie that's been filtered out, or wholesale stuff?
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zilspeed
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| posted on 28/8/07 at 07:22 AM |
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You'll get brand new stuff off the shelf in tesco at 55p/litre if you buy at in 3 litre containers. That's a lot handier than cadging /
collecting / filtering and storing stuff from the chippy.
And nowadays, you don't need to pay the duty if you will be using less than 2500 litres / P.A.
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Ian Pearson
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| posted on 31/8/07 at 10:44 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by richard thomas
What's the score with veg oil? Is it just stuff from the chippie that's been filtered out, or wholesale stuff?
I've a two tank system. I start on diesel, and switch over once the engine is at normal running temp. The oil passes through a heat exchanger
which reduces the viscosity.
I'm running it on new oil at the moment, but I've found a supplier who sell's IBC's of used oil, so I'm working on a
filtering system to try and remove wax, salt, water etc.
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richard thomas
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| posted on 1/9/07 at 06:59 PM |
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Well, a landy it is - i pick it up next week...hope not to regret this
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