cryoman1965
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| posted on 19/9/07 at 11:21 PM |
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Bugging Mobile phones!!!!!!
Can your company bug/listen in to your phone calls on your company mobile phone if you are allowed to make personnel calls on it.
Can they use anything gained against you.
Thanks
N
[Edited on 19/9/07 by cryoman1965]
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Peteff
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| posted on 19/9/07 at 11:29 PM |
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Do you work for the DVLA
or some other covert government agency ? 
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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cryoman1965
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| posted on 19/9/07 at 11:34 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Peteff
or some other covert government agency ?
No!
Just a straight forward question.
N
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iank
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| posted on 19/9/07 at 11:36 PM |
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The technology exists on certain mobiles for calls to be recorded. If you have a recent S60 phone for example.
Whether they can use information gained in a personal call if they are authorised is less clear to me not being a lawyer, but the idea (officially)
behind the software is to cover trading organisations against their staff insider dealing, so I'd say they could use the information in certain
circumstances.
Whether they can officially do anything is more or less irrelevant though so I'd never say anything on my mobile that could get me into trouble.
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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MkIndy7
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| posted on 19/9/07 at 11:53 PM |
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If the fone belongs to them then i'm pretty certain track it! for location (Like adults tracking their childrens).
Although I'm sure they are supposed to inform you that you are being tracked, just like you have to put up CCTV signs if people are being
recorded in public etc.
There has been cases with Companies where things are tracked but they SHOULD be turned off when people have their breaks and dinners (and after work
if paying the appropriate tax) etc as this time is their own and of no business or interest of the company.. if they cannot provide this then they
have been forced to remove them.
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cryoman1965
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| posted on 19/9/07 at 11:53 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by iank
so I'd never say anything on my mobile that could get me into trouble.
Mmmmm. That may be the problem!
N
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nitram38
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| posted on 20/9/07 at 04:49 AM |
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Tracking companies have to send your mobile regular text messages to ensure the user agrees to being tracked. You have to return them in order for the
system to work.
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DaveFJ
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| posted on 20/9/07 at 08:13 AM |
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See Here
Dave
"In Support of Help the Heroes" - Always
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mistergrumpy
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| posted on 20/9/07 at 08:16 AM |
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My understanding was that it is not legal for people to listen in on peoples calls/conversations unless of course you're some government agency
in which case permission from the home secretary has to be sought.
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andyharding
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| posted on 20/9/07 at 08:54 AM |
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Dealing with companies now not the police who have special powers - when recording calls on party must know about the recording to be legal.
On another note, relating to email, web, txt or any other communication technology provided by work unless they state in your employment contract that
they may monitor your usage then there is a presumption of privacy and they cannot use any evidence gained from monitoring your usage as the basis for
dismisal etc.
Are you a Mac user or a retard?
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thunderace
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| posted on 20/9/07 at 09:04 AM |
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dont talk to them till you have see a lawyer it free for 1st visit.
[Edited on 20/9/07 by thunderace]
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BenB
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| posted on 20/9/07 at 09:19 AM |
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It'd be illegal. Rules are simple about recording phone calls (landline, mobile or VOIP) in the UK. If both people involved doesn't know
(ie haven't been informed) it's illegal. So even if the work contract said they could record phonecalls they'd have to inform
everyone you spoke to.... I suppose maybe they could just record what you were saying- bit of a grey area....
Of course a lot of buisnesses would do it but not use the evidence in official dealings....
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Dangle_kt
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| posted on 20/9/07 at 09:45 AM |
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i wanna know what you've been saying now!!!
Unless you are a pretty important person who they have serious doubts over, then I wouldnt panic - and if you important enough to invest all that time
into - then you will have access to budget info which will indicate the financing of the team of peopel it would need to screen all the calls made...
think about it - how long would it take to listen to every call made?? It would have to be a pretty well resourced dept.
So unless your making a habit of calling a competitor to organise exchances of info I wouldnt sweat it.
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iank
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| posted on 20/9/07 at 09:46 AM |
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Thus my caveat about not being particularly relevant whether it's legal to use the information against you - it's too late once
they've heard it and they will remember.
If it gets to a tribunal/lawyers it's too late anyway, your career with that company is dead anyway - best you can hope for is a couple of grand
"bugger off quietly" money.
If a company/manager really wants to get rid of an individual it's not usually that hard. They would be particularly dense to use
dubiously obtained evidence to try (though many managers really are that stupid).
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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Dusty
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| posted on 20/9/07 at 10:16 AM |
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You don't work for Ferrari by any chance do you, Cryoman?
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omega 24 v6
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| posted on 20/9/07 at 11:42 AM |
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You don't work for Ferrari by any chance do you, Cryoman?
PMSL
If it looks wrong it probably is wrong.
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caber
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| posted on 20/9/07 at 11:53 AM |
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Nah! he works for Mclaren
Caber
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nick205
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| posted on 20/9/07 at 12:25 PM |
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Nige,
Make sure they're not reading this thread too! 
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grusks2
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| posted on 20/9/07 at 07:53 PM |
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Im involved with this kind of work with a certain netwrok providered. No basicly, I call can will only stand up in court if at the begining of the
call a statement is made stating its being recorded.
If its a mobile to mobile, there is normally a bleeb in the background warning you.
There also things inplace at the security centres for the netwrok providers that listen for key words that will start recording that conversation.
So basicly unless you work for MI5 or MI6 noone can listen in-your safe
[Edited on 20/9/07 by grusks2]
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forgot my old password so another username doh
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iank
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| posted on 20/9/07 at 08:29 PM |
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The above software doesn't bug in the conventional meaning of the word and the operator isn't involved anywhere, the phone itself captures
the voice data directly off the microphone and earpiece when running the software.
AFAIK a company can install whatever it likes on a phone they provide and can do with any data captured (including voice data) pretty much what they
want within the law. Unless they tell you the calls are all recorded they can't officially use any information against you, but it
doesn't prevent them listening to a recorded call if they've grabbed it - though they should have a policy of discarding any private calls
if they are allowed.
Having said all that unless you work as a trader there aren't many people who go to the effort and expense. However all companies I know of get
itemised bills and may have a hotlist (I know one company I worked for got very unhappy with people receiving calls from a certain recruiting company
that was stripping out key staff. I'm pretty sure anyone in McLaren getting a call from an Italian mobile/phone will be getting a hard time
right now
p.s. I work for a major mobile phone software company, indeed our product is one of the os's that host the above spyware
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Anonymous
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