britishtrident
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| posted on 25/9/07 at 11:29 AM |
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Mosley ridicules 'halfwit' Stewart --- oh dear
As published on web Flagworld Auto123 website
http://flagworld.auto123.com/en/racing/news/index,view.spy?artid=89851
Quote Flagworld report
September 25, 2007
Mosley ridicules 'halfwit' Stewart
Max Mosley has lashed out at Sir Jackie Stewart following the famous Scot's strong criticism of how the FIA handled the espionage saga.
source: GMM
Triple world champion Stewart, who still attends every race as a sponsor representative, was a regular media commentator throughout the affair that he
ultimately branded a "witch-hunt" that unfairly pursued McLaren and Ron Dennis.
Stewart, who is 68, also said the World Motor Sport Council's sanctions probably wouldn't have held up in a normal civil court.
"I thought that it was handled very poorly," Stewart said recently, "and I think (the fine) was (handed down) because it would get
an immense amount of attention globally.
"It seems some of the most powerful people (in F1) are more aligned to Ferrari. There are more Ferrari representatives on the World Council than
anybody else."
In a media lunch in London on Monday, FIA president Mosley hit back with rancour as he dismissed Stewart as a "certified halfwit" who
dresses oddly.
He did not refer to the diminutive Scot by name, but was quoted by the Daily Mail as saying: "There's one particular ex-driver who because
he never stops talking, never has the chance to listen -- so he doesn't know what's going on.
"It's annoying that some of the sponsors listen to him because he's won a few championships. But nobody else in formula one does --
not the teams, not the drivers. He's a figure of fun among drivers," Mosley added.
Mosley also apparently poked fun at Stewart's tartan trousers and caps, adding: "He goes round dressed up as a 1930s music hall man.
He's a certified halfwit."
End Report Quote.
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If true I would have expected better of the highest ranking official in F1, Motorsport is about drivers. cars, engineers, technicians &
marshalls, it is not run for the benefit of rich aristo lawyers with dodgey ultra right wing backgrounds who wear thousand euro blazers
In contrast JYS is won of the most respected characters in the sport, his unease with recent events is shared by many other greats of the sport, not
all share exactly the same view as JYS but share a distaste for the politics that have bogged down the sport in what could have been its greatest
year for decades.
If true this statment sounds like bringing the sport into disrepute to me.
[Edited on 25/9/07 by britishtrident]
[Edited on 25/9/07 by britishtrident]
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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mookaloid
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| posted on 25/9/07 at 11:34 AM |
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How to win friends and influence people 
"That thing you're thinking - it wont be that."
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caber
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| posted on 25/9/07 at 11:40 AM |
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Jackie Stewart is not someone i would get on the wrong side of Max better watch his back at the next GP or he might be wearing an oddly coloured eye
and a split lip 
Caber
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nick205
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| posted on 25/9/07 at 11:44 AM |
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It's akin to playground behaviour. Self important, jumped up people with little or no concept of the real world.
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BenB
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| posted on 25/9/07 at 11:45 AM |
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Get gun.
Shoot left foot.
Reload.
Repeat for right foot.
Way to go Max!!!!
Attacking one of the most popular figures in motor-racing in the UK....
What's he going to say next?
"And Stirling Moss drove that Mini like a girl"....
Trashing a UK F1 manafacturer, now attacking an ex UK F1 champion, seriously hampering the chances of a UK driver to win the F1 championship.....
You would have thought the certified son of a fascist would have more interest in UK interests!!!! Actually, I suppose it's not certified that
he was Oswald's- Mrs Mosely might have been nobbing adolf explains a lot!!!
[Edited on 25/9/07 by BenB]
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britishtrident
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| posted on 25/9/07 at 11:49 AM |
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Think about this one
Max from super rich aristo family
JYS --- son of owner of a small garage
Ron -- came up by own boot straps from being an apprentice at Cooper cars.
Lewis --- not exactly from an advantaged background
Starting to see a common thread
A pity Fangio, Denny Hulme and Jack Brabham wern't still around.
[Edited on 25/9/07 by britishtrident]
[Edited on 25/9/07 by britishtrident]
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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TimC
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| posted on 25/9/07 at 11:53 AM |
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I've had a tit-full of the sport and the processions that they refer to as racing.
I won't bother to watch it again - I usually fall asleep anyway.
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AndyH
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| posted on 25/9/07 at 11:57 AM |
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HOW DARE A NAZI FACIST CALL A KNIGHT OF THE REALM A "CERTIFIED HALFWIT"
How many championships has that bast@rd won.
He has no respect for the sport or the great men of it.
If non of the drivers have respect for Sir Jackie that'll be why he instructs and coaches so many of them.
They dont go to that nazi pr@ck to find out how to be a better racer.
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BenB
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| posted on 25/9/07 at 11:57 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by AndyH
HOW DARE A NAZI FACIST CALL A KNIGHT OF THE REALM A "CERTIFIED HALFWIT"
How many championships has that bast@rd won.
He has no respect for the sport or the great men of it.
If non of the drivers have respect for Sir Jackie that'll be why he instructs and coaches so many of them.
They dont go to that nazi pr@ck to find out how to be a better racer.
But they might go to him to win a championship.... particularly the constructor's....
[Edited on 25/9/07 by BenB]
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RK
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| posted on 25/9/07 at 12:18 PM |
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Who would you rather have a conversation with, Max M. or JS? Pretty much sums it up.
The guy has absolutely no sense of right and wrong. But it means he is feeling the heat, which is a good thing
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BenB
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| posted on 25/9/07 at 12:31 PM |
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Right now I'd rather have a conversation with Max. In a lift. With no security cameras. Right after I got back from baseball practice.
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James
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| posted on 25/9/07 at 12:58 PM |
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I was thinking that Ben.
But who needs a bat when you've got Savate kickboxing boots like me!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw4h_33AVDY
If you don't want to watch the whole thing, check out 03min 45secs
Cheers,
James
[Edited on 25/9/07 by James]
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"The fight is won or lost far away from witnesses, behind the lines, in the gym and out there on the road, long before I dance under those lights."
- Muhammad Ali
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BenB
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| posted on 25/9/07 at 01:13 PM |
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Accourding to Planet F1 he's also had a pop at an Indian billionaire buying Spyker.
Is there any evidence he's not just a rascist fascist nut-job?
Oh well, at this rate he'll be resigning in a few weeks....
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iank
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| posted on 25/9/07 at 01:26 PM |
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Has he always been like this, or are we only now hearing about how he normally does business?
He'll last less than a week if he has a pop at Bernie I suspect.
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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BenB
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| posted on 25/9/07 at 01:50 PM |
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Unlikely to happen- they're closer than two puppies in a wonderbra
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iank
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| posted on 25/9/07 at 02:27 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by BenB
Unlikely to happen- they're closer than two puppies in a wonderbra
I think Bernie likes his ego and his money more than Max. Anything that even potentially risks his position or his gravy train will get his full
attention.
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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omega 24 v6
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| posted on 25/9/07 at 04:43 PM |
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The guy's an arsehole end of, and does anyone know where the thread went, re can Max keep his job. now that we all know he's a facist who
campained to keep britain white and was arrested in the process. How can a Facist who seems to be anti black (at least in his past),anti Scottish,
anti poor background, and pro Ferrari (read Italian conections eg Mussolini) be expected to be impartial in any decision making within the FIA
especially as he's going to hand over to Jean Todt. Seems to me he's part of the "Old Money" set. ARGHHHHHHH RANT OVER.
If it looks wrong it probably is wrong.
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jollygreengiant
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| posted on 25/9/07 at 06:46 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by omega 24 v6
The guy's an arsehole end of, and does anyone know where the thread went, re can Max keep his job. now that we all know he's a facist who
campained to keep britain white and was arrested in the process. How can a Facist who seems to be anti black (at least in his past),anti Scottish,
anti poor background, and pro Ferrari (read Italian conections eg Mussolini) be expected to be impartial in any decision making within the FIA
especially as he's going to hand over to Jean Todt. Seems to me he's part of the "Old Money" set. ARGHHHHHHH RANT OVER.
I'm sorry but I must complain about the use of the forth word in this post. Even Arseholes provide one good useful function in life.
Beware of the Goldfish in the tulip mines. The ONLY defence against them is smoking peanut butter sandwiches.
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omega 24 v6
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| posted on 25/9/07 at 06:49 PM |
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LOL but I'm not retracting it
If it looks wrong it probably is wrong.
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novacaine
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| posted on 25/9/07 at 07:22 PM |
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criticizing the FIA usually results in a driver loosing/being threatened with loosing their superlicence, senna for example.
as Mr Stewart no longer competes in F1 and has criticised the FIA he is branded a fool, FIA is a dictatorship, what kind of an organisation increases
the penalty if the original is apealed against.
I hate the FIA,
got rid of Group B because it was better than F1,
Got rid of Group C because it was better than F1
Screwing F1 up, whats next? getting rid of the 750mc because its better than F1?
And you run and you run to catch up with the sun but its sinking, Racing around to come up behind you again, the sun is the same in a relative way but
your older, shorter of breath and one day closer to death
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Russ-Turner
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| posted on 25/9/07 at 09:28 PM |
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A lot of people seem to be jumping on a bandwagon here and confusing Max Mosely with his father. Without Bernie and Mosely F1 might have folded years
ago. Some people need to look at the history of the sport a little closer before they open their mouths. Stewart is a bit of a clown, and after the
mess he left Silverstone and the B.R.D.C. in nearly losing us the British G.P. if I was him I'd retire in peace and keep my opinions to myself
as I personally have no interest whatsoever in whichever former champs the media keep digging up to ask for quotes.
The first thing to say is I am completely convinced McLaren made use of the data they had received. This data was not the Stepney 780 page dossier,
but detailed sheets of Ferrari set up data and strategy information, sent to the team before the races. It was seen at the highest technical level
within McLaren and by two drivers. Two of these three people (plus Coughlan\Stepney) were not at the WMSC meeting to explain their actions.
This is different to copying or closely observing other teams. Having the facts before the event is completely unsporting. This is not usual form of
spying that happens after the fact, where teams monitor and photograph each other, that is part of the game, everyone does it. McLaren should have
told Ferrari some one was plying them with information, not gone and stuck it through their computers to see where is got them and planned race
strategies around it. Then claimed they never saw anything, it was all kept in Coughlans back room.
Read the following fact closely:
McLaren had Ferrari set up sheets and race strategy information before at least two of the opening races. Senior personnel within McLaren circulated
this data and stated it was used in their simulations ahead of these races. Also within this communication the source of the data was confirmed as
Coughlan and Stepney.
Clearly McLaren had Ferrari data and senior personnel have used it. This would have advantaged McLaren as they had not raced bridgestones tyres before
and due to the tracks involved had not tested there either. This would have been critical information for the team to make use of at that stage of the
season.
In My view the penalty is a farce, McLaren have lost their constructors point which is fair and big fine is good for TV, but the drivers were
advantaged at these races and thus their points should have been stripped for at least those races. Additionally those involved in the sharing and
subsequent dissemination of the data should be banned from FIA sanctioned sport.
I agree, this whole saga has been carried in the usual inept FIA way. This was not a court case, but a hearing of presentations made by the two
parties to the governing body. Clearly we should have had the full legal hearing. The issues have not been helped by McLarens obstinate refusal to
come clean (still to this day) and complicated by Ferrari and Italy’s pressing of the matter. This should all have been solved at the first hearing,
but for whatever reason wasn’t done so. I still feel without the facts being made public, this saga will not go away and people will have a coloured
view of what has actually happened in the hearing.
[Edited on 25/9/07 by Russ-Turner]
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AndyH
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| posted on 26/9/07 at 08:34 AM |
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Bravo, nice argument well put.
But if the FIA should hammer people for cheating, why are Ferrari still competing?
They have been cheating for years and getting away with it due to vested interests in the team.
It is a fact that all F1 teams cheat and bend the rules, the cars advance inspite of the rules not because of them.
What is annoying is the rules are there but it gets brushed under the carpet when Ferrari break them.
Bernie has commented that if it was a team at the back of the grid it would not be an issue, but when its Ferrari's bitter rival that about to
win everything in sight.............
Sir Jackie messsd up due to incompetance, not out of self interest or any vendetta. We all make mistakes, but this is no mistake.
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omega 24 v6
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| posted on 26/9/07 at 11:44 AM |
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I think you'll find that far from being incompetent Sir Jackie was one of the LEADING lights when it comes to todays cars being so safe. . Sure
he dresses patriotically and yes he puts himself forward for the sponsors but he aint no halfwit. Also the fact that he is SIR Jackie should count for
more respect than Muesli is giving him I mean when the Monarch of this country feels he has done enough ti knight him then who the f*ck cares what Max
thinks about him. He's (max) an ar**hole that can RTF as far as I'm concerned.
If it looks wrong it probably is wrong.
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Rob Palin
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| posted on 26/9/07 at 12:04 PM |
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Is it worth noting that the FIA didn't feel the need to do anything to Toyota when 2 of its employees were convicted by a civil court of
stealing CAD data on CD from Ferrari?
I want the FIA to punish cheating very harshly, but they should also do it consistently.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 26/9/07 at 12:27 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Russ-Turner
A lot of people seem to be jumping on a bandwagon here and confusing Max Mosely with his father.
[Edited on 25/9/07 by Russ-Turner]
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Not the case I was willing to give Max the benefit of the doubt on the fascist aspect until I looked into it.
If the web sources (including the BBCi site) I have found are correct ? it would appear.
MAX Moseley was a fascist at least up to 1964 around the time he at the age of 24-25 became a fully qualified barrister.
He was a prospective candidate for Salford East constituency for his father party in the October 1964 election but pulled out at the last moment.
He was an election agent for his father's post-war party, the Union Movement. (1962 )
If his reported activities during the 1958 election campaign are true it sheds a very interesting light on hist attitude to Lewis Hamilton.
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Quote the Max Moseley Wikipedia, entry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Mosley
"Mosley was an election agent for his father's post-war party, the Union Movement. He was for a time the party's prospective
candidate for the Salford East constituency but withdrew shortly before the 1964 General Election. For a time Mosley was interested in becoming a
Conservative MP but switched his allegiance to the Labour Party after meeting its then leader, John Smith, in 1994."
End quote
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Max Moseley active for his fathers party in the 1958 and 1962 election I quote a BBC report on the 1962 election
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/31/newsid_2776000/2776295.stm
"Police were forced to close the meeting within three minutes and made 54 arrests - including Sir Oswald's son Max."
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In the 1958 Election is activities were reportedly even more interesting ? -- seethe bottom of page 12 this site
http://www.historytalk.org/Tom%20Vague%20Pop%20History/Chp%201.pdf
Max Moseley's Wikipedia biography entry is worth looking at it has a very long history of almost constantly being re-edited sometimes many times
a day.
[Edited on 26/9/07 by britishtrident]
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