motivation cars
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| posted on 15/1/08 at 11:50 AM |
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bio diesel
oh just wiped the post by accident doh!!!
has any body had experience making bio diesel due to my new toy burns a gallon a mile and i need a cheap fuel
joe
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pawgrp
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| posted on 15/1/08 at 11:52 AM |
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Try, www.greenfuels.co.uk.
I've seen the kit close up and its well made.
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Avoneer
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| posted on 15/1/08 at 12:08 PM |
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My Xantia ran of pure veggie oil from Asda - 49p per litre and ran better than pump diesel.
Pat...
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RickRick
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 posted on 15/1/08 at 12:10 PM |
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1 gallon per mile so what is it!?!?
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Guinness
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| posted on 15/1/08 at 12:10 PM |
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A gallon a mile? What is it? A tank?
Cheers
Mike
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britishtrident
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| posted on 15/1/08 at 12:17 PM |
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Some diesels get problems on bio diesel best to check first.
Blending 50% new cooking oil and diesel seems to work really well in a lot of engines.
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DarrenW
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| posted on 15/1/08 at 12:23 PM |
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A mate of mine got into it for a fleet of wagons he runs. He got into a spot of troubl when the oil supplier sent in contaminated oil - from memory it
had some animal fats in there. This caused a wagon to break down and need the fuel system cleaning out, as well as the bio diesel plant downtime while
that too was cleaned out. I think he gave up on the idea in the end due to the large amount he needed and associated hassle factor. From a cost point
of view im sure it was worthwhile.
I was going to getan IBC off him (1000litres) but i dont think BMW's like it.
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DarrenW
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| posted on 15/1/08 at 12:25 PM |
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Its also worth checking out the latest tax laws on it too. For small producers i think you can make so much tax free. Something to do with the fact
that if the IR chase everyone it sometimes costs more to process the claim than the amount of tax they recieve.
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smart51
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| posted on 15/1/08 at 12:34 PM |
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clunky old engines will run on stright veg oil. modern engines are less tollerant and need the glycerine removing or modifying. You may get problems
with seals and things if the biodiesel contains too much methanol. Look what happened on their 24 hour race.
Check what stuff your car can run on and use that.
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b16mts
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| posted on 15/1/08 at 12:53 PM |
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I've been runing my toyota hilux surf on a mixture of diesel and veg for a couple of years (even more since it was made legal in july!)
This time of year i can manage 2/3 diesel to 1/3 veg, because the veg oil goes thick when cold. In summer its a much higher ratio.
Though the price of diesel has flown up massively. in June veg was 49ppl in asda, now its 84p.
Thankfully i bought 100 litres from makro a couple of months ago at 60ppl.
first thing to do is to check what fuel pump and injection system it uses, as these are the bits that don't like it. The mitsi pajero and
l200's love the stuff (they have the same engine), but otherwise check somewhere like www.dieselveg.com for an idea of what engines work
well.
Other than that, look forward to driving along knowing everyone behind you is getting hungry from the smel of chips you'll produce!
Martin
[Edited on 15/1/08 by b16mts]
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motivation cars
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| posted on 15/1/08 at 12:56 PM |
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its a moonraker 36 offshore crusier with twin 210bhp cummins on it
jooe
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bonzoronnie
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| posted on 15/1/08 at 01:21 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Avoneer
My Xantia ran of pure veggie oil from Asda - 49p per litre and ran better than pump diesel.
Pat...
Neat Veggie oil in my Xantia FUBAR'ed my injector pump
25% V-oil + 75% Central heating oil workred ok thought. 
I know of a Citroen BX that ran for 5 years on central heating oil ( Kerosene ) 
No idea who it was !!?? 
Ronnie 
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motivation cars
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| posted on 15/1/08 at 01:24 PM |
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http://www.moonraker.dk/english/library/lib_frame.htm
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wilkingj
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| posted on 15/1/08 at 01:52 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by bonzoronnie
Neat Veggie oil in my Xantia FUBAR'ed my injector pump
25% V-oil + 75% Central heating oil workred ok thought.
I know of a Citroen BX that ran for 5 years on central heating oil ( Kerosene )
Ronnie
The problem with the thicker veg type oils ie non processed oils, is they are not thin enough to permeate their way through the very close tolerances
in the pumps. Hence the pumps dont get properly lubricated, and then give problems.
My Landy Pump cost me £880 for a rebuild 
All diesl pumps, due to the close tolerances are not cheap to rebuild (Properly)
1. The point of a journey is not to arrive.
2. Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
Best Regards
Geoff
http://www.v8viento.co.uk
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Humbug
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| posted on 15/1/08 at 02:39 PM |
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Isn't there a difference between biodiesel (processed/added to in some way) and veg oil?
I think I also remember reading that there is a difference for tax purposes, in that you don't "make" veg oil, so you are supposed
to pay duty on it since you are buying a fuel, whereas if you actually do some processing it comes under the personal use banner.
Anyone know the details?
EDIT: just read this on the Diesel Veg site: "we say nutsack to the frills and lets give the customer what they want". A very good
approach and one that many other companies/supplies could usefully adopt!
Also, according to them, you can use pure oil as fuel and avoid the duty up to a threshold.
[Edited on 15.01.2008 by Humbug]
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scotty g
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| posted on 15/1/08 at 03:05 PM |
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I'm looking at buying an older diesel at the moment, either a Rover 218 or a sierra 1.8td, if memory serves, these are the old peugeot diesels
right?
How would they cope with veggie oil?
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worX
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| posted on 15/1/08 at 03:49 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by motivation cars
its a moonraker 36 offshore crusier with twin 210bhp cummins on it
jooe
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 15/1/08 at 03:53 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by DarrenW
Its also worth checking out the latest tax laws on it too. For small producers i think you can make so much tax free.
You can make 2500 litres per year before you have to start paying duty on it.
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coozer
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| posted on 15/1/08 at 04:31 PM |
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I run my Rover 220Di on a mixture of new veg oil and diesel. The price of the oil has shot up recently so I'm not using it at the moment. Tesco
are selling 1 litre bottles at 56p at the mo so I'm buying as much as I can and putting it away. Problem is, the shelf is always empty when
I'm there. Wonder why that is?
When its not too cold I use 10L diesel and 6L veg. I am intending putting a heater in the input fuel line that will heat it up but only when warm.
one of my colleagues ran a 1.9 Clio purely on heating oil and apart from the black smoke and a funny smell it was OK.
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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jacko
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| posted on 15/1/08 at 04:38 PM |
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Joe you will have to go up river hull to the Rix depot every day
Nice looking boat
Graham
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motivation cars
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| posted on 15/1/08 at 05:06 PM |
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the fuel tank holds 750 litres work that out at pump prices and it gets expensive but pink at the mo at marina is 59 pence a litre so thats 442.50 to
fill and i can get through that in 170 miles at 18 knots expencive running
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jacko
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| posted on 15/1/08 at 05:12 PM |
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joe Put a mast and sails on it that will help you
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Avoneer
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| posted on 15/1/08 at 06:36 PM |
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You have to make sure you have the right pump on the xantia and other diesels to run pure.
I was running 100% in summer and it ran fine.
Pat...
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However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
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jimmyjoebob
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| posted on 15/1/08 at 08:21 PM |
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If the fuel is going to stand for long periods do not use veg oil or biodiesel as it becomes acidic as it degrades.
For cars, the worst case scenario is the mid-summer holiday park up at the airport. The return line fuel temp can be up to 120°C - this hot fuel then
sits in a warm tank and degrades very quickly into a very acidic fluid that does maximum damage when the car is returned to use.
O rings and copper in contact with it during this period will disintegrate.
If at first you don't succeed, hide all evidence you ever tried!
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