Richd
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| posted on 15/1/08 at 06:36 PM |
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Ungentlemanly behaviour?
Re: 10% rule thread
Snetterton, You're lying second in the race. Half a second down, one and a half laps to go. The leader has just slipped passed a novice
backmarker out of corum (the novice obligingly moved over but then finds himself approaching Russells so pulls on line) you are on him under braking
for Russells, you have two choices. What do you do.
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russbost
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| posted on 15/1/08 at 06:39 PM |
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You never actually have time to think about it in a real life situation, it's up to the backmarker to get out of your way, we all have to learn
sometime & sometimes the lessons can be hard ones & expensive
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Richd
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| posted on 15/1/08 at 06:40 PM |
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I put the vote in the empty slot cos i'll never have to make that decision 
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Richd
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| posted on 15/1/08 at 06:44 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by russbost
You never actually have time to think about it in a real life situation, it's up to the backmarker to get out of your way, we all have to learn
sometime & sometimes the lessons can be hard ones & expensive
You always have time, maybe not much, but time all the same. Does the backmarker have any more time? Or are you saying you can get away with blaming
newbies??
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phoenix70
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| posted on 15/1/08 at 06:46 PM |
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If you are a true racer, second is as good as last, so you always go for it. Just hope the novice notices you. If you are playing for point, make a
feint up the inside and hope you scare the novice off the track, but make sure you can get out of it if needs be.
[Edited on 15/1/08 by phoenix70]
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cidersurfer
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| posted on 15/1/08 at 06:46 PM |
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You go for the pass, it's racing not the public road... 
shimming solid lifters is a job for a friend...
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stevec
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| posted on 15/1/08 at 06:55 PM |
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You go for it, or you may as well go home,
Steve.
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delboy
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| posted on 15/1/08 at 07:13 PM |
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pick him up in the corner and spin him out of the way, if you do it proerly he won't hold you up.
2nd is the first looser.
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stuart_g
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| posted on 15/1/08 at 07:36 PM |
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pointless poll as it depends on a number of factors that can only be made at the time of the situation.
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simes43
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| posted on 15/1/08 at 07:46 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Richd
Re: 10% rule thread
Snetterton, You're lying second in the race. Half a second down, one and a half laps to go. The leader has just slipped passed a novice
backmarker out of corum (the novice obligingly moved over but then finds himself approaching Russells so pulls on line) you are on him under braking
for Russells, you have two choices. What do you do.
The car that is about to be lapped should do everything they can to give the faster car right of way.
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TGR-ECOSSE
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| posted on 15/1/08 at 08:11 PM |
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What did you do when you were a novice?
Why is the title Ungentlemanly behaviour?
I just wondered as i have been a teriffied novice and made mistakes and i have also been amongst the top guys and made mistakes. As has been posted
many times we all have to start somewhere. Welcome to motorsport.
I do sympathise as we did lose a championship by being spun by a back marker  It realy hurt as we "don't do second place" but
we are still racing and winning 
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BenB
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| posted on 15/1/08 at 08:17 PM |
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You rely on the back-marker getting out of the way but equally recognise they're a novice so may not do that (that's why they have a sign
on the back of the car after all).....
So if you do a manoever which most novices would cope with it all goes pete tong then it's unlucky. If you drive them off the road just because
you haven't been able to get close enough to the car in front during the race and you're frustrated then that's unfair. You might be
prepared to sacrifice your car, but t-boning a novice backmarker and wrecking their car with a rather dubious last minute overtake sucks a
bit......
Of course the answer is to make sure you're in first place by the last lap 
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Richard Quinn
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| posted on 15/1/08 at 09:16 PM |
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Mirror, signal, manouvre!!
On a more serious note - If the back marker has the line then he has the line. As people have pointed out, the decision will be made as and when. If
you want to try the outside then fine but bear in mind that if he's seen you and feels under pressure, he may turn in early and exit wide. Drop
in behind and he may stay perfectly on the line.
You pays your money and takes your choice!
[Edited on 15/1/08 by Richard Quinn]
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mccsp
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| posted on 15/1/08 at 09:26 PM |
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It isn't the novices job to get out of the way!
As the faster driver you are expected to find a safe way to pass! The blue flags are there to warn the backmarker of your presence.
If they are that slow you arelapping them in a 8-10 lap race, it is going to be pretty easy to outbrake them up the inside.
Could always go straight over the grass 
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MikeR
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| posted on 15/1/08 at 09:39 PM |
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How much money have you got ?
Can you afford to wreck your car with a risky overtake manouver?
Do you want the responsibilty to wrecking someone elses car?
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CGILL
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| posted on 16/1/08 at 07:09 AM |
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Would depend on the exact positioning. You don't get championship points if you don't finish
so would be a trade off for me .
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Richd
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| posted on 16/1/08 at 08:06 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by TGR-ECOSSE
What did you do when you were a novice?
Why is the title Ungentlemanly behaviour?
Dont carry the cross on the back of my car any more but would still call myself a novice. I would also class myself as a racer.
Would agree with most that where possible the backmarker should move over "safely" and allow the front runners past. But opinions
obviously vary on where the safe places occur.
The title is just a title, but read back through the responses (probably not all from drivers) and you'll see its justified.
I have seen many discussions on driving standards and they all start with the same tack "novices need to learn track craft" well, lets not
just stop at novices. we are talking about entry level racing. If you expereienced chappies dont like the amount of novices then move up a class or
two. Motor racing is dangerous. No-one wants to be part of an accident but they will happen. People get lapped. Novices have crosses. The C of C has
powers to discipline. And if we stuff it too often we run out of money.
cheers
Rich
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procomp
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| posted on 16/1/08 at 08:31 AM |
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Hi Quote "Could always go straight over the grass " For gods sake don't do that there. Anyone who saw me end up in a situation in
the last all-comers race at snett will know why.
Ps it was not an involvement with a back marker but of my own doing. However i do believe that i should have been in possession of a pilots
licence to achieve that sort of height
Don't think you would know the answer untill you where there in the situation. But to be fair every time i have come up against a back marker
there they have held a tighter inside line on the aproach and indicated to go outside on line.
Cheers Matt
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Rob Palin
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| posted on 16/1/08 at 08:45 AM |
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I can't match your height record Matt but i reckon i might hold the one for distance. In my 2nd ever race i got onto a damp patch on the
outside of Coram and had to choose whether to go off facing forwards or backwards. I chose forwards and travelled cross-country from just before it
kind of tightens on the approach to Russell all the way to the start line!
Many of the farmers in Norfolk would have been proud of the long, straight furrows i left - and they were still visible the next year, too!
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procomp
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| posted on 16/1/08 at 09:43 AM |
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Hi Rob. Well for what it's worth i certinally am not going to try and beat any more records there.
I know i was bl##dy lucky to come away without damage to the car and me except to my shoulder. Coram wet grass and 100 mph dont mix well.
But i think if a clear rule was in place regarding whether to hold line or move over was in place it would help all. But the chances of the MSA
sorting that are very slim.
Cheers Matt
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Richd
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| posted on 16/1/08 at 10:29 AM |
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The biggest problem with regulating for these situations is that once you take away the discressionary powers of the governing bodies you lose all
latitude for exceptional circumstances and the human element.
Having clear advice is good. Having set rules covering overtaking will be difficult to administer when every overtaking point is different, every
class of car is arriving at corners at different speeds, and every bend is a different profile.
I have a little experience of "over-legislating" in my day job
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skydivepaul
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| posted on 1/2/08 at 12:26 AM |
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second place is the first of the losers!!!!
you have to try to assess the situation and make your pass as you see fit. I can also agree that as a novice at the back of the grid you will be
looking in your mirrors more than looking ahead so as not to make a tit of yourself against your peers. he will move out of the way or even not make
you go off line too much as to make a half decent move.
cheers
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