tks
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 05:34 PM |
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IVA VS SVA Changes
Hi Folks,
Changes are ahead for the IVA, and those now building cars and scheduling for 2009 should be aware of these things:
--> Fuel tank cant be any home build device anymore. It will need to be a plastic variant wich is conform the EC directive.
--> Reverse will be a fact for every type of car.
If i know more i will add them
Please discuss the changes in the topic following this LINK (to keep this topic clean)
LINKY:
LINKY
Regards,
Tks
The above comments are always meant to be from the above persons perspective.
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Confused but excited.
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 05:51 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by tks
--> Fuel tank cant be any home build device anymore. It will need to be a plastic variant wich is conform the EC directive.
BUGGER! That's because I bought a nice shiny alloy one. 
Tell them about the bent treacle edges!
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tks
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 05:57 PM |
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Maybe you are lucky and they keep this paragraph..:
1. The fuel system, including the fuel tank, shall be so designed, constructed and fitted as to withstand the forces, vibration and corrosive
environment to which it is likely to be subject. It shall also be so fitted as to avoid the risk of damage, such as abrasion, due to fouling of other
parts, and to minimise the risk of fire in the event of any leakage of fuel
2. Plastic fuel tanks shall comply with the requirements of paragraphs 5 and 6 of Annex I 70/221/EEC as last amended by directive 2006/20/EC
personally i think they ditch it.
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skodaman
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 05:59 PM |
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You'd better get out in the garage and get it finished before the deadline then
Stupid rule though. I don't see why a plastic tank is any safer than a metal one. At one time plastic tanks were banned on motorbikes.
Skodaman
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 06:16 PM |
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I was just thinking about the tank earlier. Looks like im buying a plastic one then, just in case.
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 06:19 PM |
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I was just thinking about the tank earlier. Looks like im buying a plastic one then, just in case.
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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t.j.
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 06:24 PM |
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A lot off trucks have alloy-tanks which meet 70/221/EG. So no problem, Around here 70/221/EG is all ready from 1995 needed.
It's only the name, mounting and feul-cap which must be tested.
Keep us informed!
Please feel free to correct my bad English, i'm still learning. Your Dutch is awfull! :-)
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tks
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 06:46 PM |
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i have uploaded the docs to my photoarchive
Tks
If you want to read the complete pdf:
LINK
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matt_claydon
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 06:54 PM |
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It doesn't mean you have to have a plastic tank, it just says that if you do have on it must conform to the directive.
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t.j.
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 06:57 PM |
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Hi,
I read the directive 2007/46/EG and there is only stated for the IVA that the member-state CAN have it's own rules if they provide the same
level as ment in EC typeapproval regulation ; safety etc.
‘‘Alternative requirements’ means administrative provisions and
technical requirements which aim to ensure a level of road safety
and environmental protection, which is equivalent to the greatest
extent practicable to the level provided for by the provisions
of Annex IV or Annex XI, as appropriate
6. The validity of an individual approval shall be restricted to
the territory of the Member State that granted the approval.
Where an applicant wishes to sell, register or put into service in
another Member State a vehicle which has been granted an individual
approval, the Member State that granted the approval shall,
on request, provide the applicant with a statement of the technical
provisions against which the vehicle was approved.
With regard to a vehicle which has been granted an individual
approval by a Member State in accordance with the provisions
of this Article, another Member State shall permit that vehicle to
be sold, registered or to enter into service unless it has reasonable
grounds to believe that the technical provisions against
which the vehicle was approved are not equivalent to its own.
So every member-state can have it's own individual vehicle approval.
In my opnion there is nothing bad about the IVA. I would like to see how UK but in this case NL will fill out the Sheme.
READ article 24 !!!
grtz , and please U2U me if the UK-draft is availble.
[Edited on 1/3/08 by t.j.]
Please feel free to correct my bad English, i'm still learning. Your Dutch is awfull! :-)
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iank
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 07:54 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by matt_claydon
It doesn't mean you have to have a plastic tank, it just says that if you do have on it must conform to the directive.
Agreed I also read that as making it harder to fit a plastic tank, as a plastic tank will have to be certified (probably with an e-mark) but an
aluminium one won't. Since no one uses a donor plastic tank I think anyone wanting to use one needs to be careful it is correct.
The final SVA manual was very close to the draft. I'd expect the IVA to also be very similar and I really don't think they will
start dropping things from this document - just clarifications. Especially as they are now sending this out to people who ask.
I also see where the confusion about ABS comes in. If it's fitted it needs to conform to some directive or other. But that doesn't say
it is required.
[Edited on 1/3/08 by iank]
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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Aico
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 07:54 PM |
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You can always change the fueltank after the SVA.
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t.j.
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 08:01 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Aico
You can always change the fueltank after the SVA.
 That's exactly one off the causes we don't have a SVA in NL......
Take the SVA serious and the government will take us serious...
Please feel free to correct my bad English, i'm still learning. Your Dutch is awfull! :-)
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 08:03 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Aico
You can always change the fueltank after the SVA.
What is the point? If you get a plastic tak for S/IVA, you may aswell leave it in unless you need a bigger one.
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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Aico
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 08:11 PM |
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The point is that you can have your shiny one 
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DIY Si
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 08:16 PM |
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But you can have your shiny one to start with! You do not have to have a plastic tank, merely if you do it must be made to a certain EU standard. Ally
tanks are still allowed.
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t.j.
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 08:20 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Aico
The point is that you can have your shiny one
Again: alloy is NOT forbidden.
And: IMO no compromise in safety.
If you have good safety belts why would someone replace them with bad ones?
Why would you replace you fuel-tank for a not tested one?
Please feel free to correct my bad English, i'm still learning. Your Dutch is awfull! :-)
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skodaman
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 08:39 PM |
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Ah good it looks like I'm ok to start welding my mild steel fuel tank then as my first welding project as recommended in The Book. Might make
it out of 6mm plate as it's easier to weld with an arc and i'm not very good yet, and it should then be almost bulletproof.
Seriously though is brazing the tank ok for sva instead of welding?
Skodaman
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Aico
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 08:46 PM |
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Won't it be virtually impossible to get an alloy or something like a fuelcell? With lights you must have a CE certificate right? WIll this be
the same for the tank or does it just need to meet some demand, but no official certificate/approval?
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DIY Si
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 08:53 PM |
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I think an ally tank may be ok as is. It might be a case of using a coded welder rather than just anyone doing it. One problem that plastic tanks
could have is not being made of the correct grade of plastic and melting! This is not a problem with a metal tank, so they are easier to make and get
right, as if it's wrong it'll obviously leak, which is already checked as part of the SVA. However, as said in the other thread,
there's no way of being 100% sure until they release an official final document. And then wait until the DVLA or VOSA release a version that
makes sense in English rather than EU speak!
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Confused but excited.
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 10:11 PM |
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So I can sleep tonight then, possibly.
My tank was professionally made (from ARA Racing), not a DIY one. 
Tell them about the bent treacle edges!
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thepest
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| posted on 2/3/08 at 06:54 AM |
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well just like SVA, SVA is a national thing not a european harmonisation like type approval. All member states have their own type of SVA.
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