02GF74
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| posted on 15/4/08 at 09:12 AM |
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Woops - Bentley wipes out 3 x Policecars
top that then! 
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 15/4/08 at 09:16 AM |
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"The Bentley crashed at 0235 BST on the A35 three miles away at Bransgore, injuring three occupants."
At least there was some good news then - i do hope they werent too uninjured!!! 
[Edited on 15/4/08 by Paul TigerB6]
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worX
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| posted on 15/4/08 at 09:19 AM |
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Looking at that photo and reading between the lines, I reckon that BM took the Bentley out
Steve
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iank
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| posted on 15/4/08 at 09:22 AM |
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So the Bentley crashed, and the three police cars crashed in the excitement?
Or did a boxing strategy go badly wrong?
Not very much information in that article, except the scumbags didn't actually knock the coppers off the road.
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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02GF74
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| posted on 15/4/08 at 09:32 AM |
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seems rather wasteful all round.
surely the technology exists for a small drone aircraft to follow the car and when the occupants get out, fire wires that apply 10,000 V.
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nick205
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| posted on 15/4/08 at 09:47 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
seems rather wasteful all round.
surely the technology exists for a small drone aircraft to follow the car and when the occupants get out, fire wires that apply 10,000 V.
why bother with stun gun tactics, just get on and shoot the buggers with mini rockets 
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Dangle_kt
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| posted on 15/4/08 at 09:53 AM |
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I'd prefer small flesh eating maggots be introduced to there bodies and let time pass.......
munch munch scumbag!
[Edited on 15/4/08 by Dangle_kt]
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iank
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| posted on 15/4/08 at 10:01 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Dangle_kt
I'd prefer small flesh eating maggots be introduced to there bodies and let time pass.......
munch munch scumbag!
[Edited on 15/4/08 by Dangle_kt]
Been watching Hellboy too much?
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 15/4/08 at 10:02 AM |
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Just shows what a bad and dangerous idea it is to chase cars on public roads. About time they stopped this nonsense altogether, every time I see this
kind of stuff on the telly the police only manage to make the situation far worse, many times the car they end up having a high speed chase
wasn't even speeding at the start.
Don't see why I should be put at risk cos some copper wants an adrenalin rush.
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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dhutch
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| posted on 15/4/08 at 10:13 AM |
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Linky for anyone not seen it:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/hampshire/7347797.stm
Daniel
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 15/4/08 at 10:24 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
Just shows what a bad and dangerous idea it is to chase cars on public roads. About time they stopped this nonsense altogether, every time I see this
kind of stuff on the telly the police only manage to make the situation far worse, many times the car they end up having a high speed chase
wasn't even speeding at the start.
Don't see why I should be put at risk cos some copper wants an adrenalin rush.
Maybe you would if it was your house that had been burgled and your £100,000 car that had been stolen. Cant let the scumbags just get away with it.
Start banned the police from chasing anyone and they would never catch a single criminal - crime would end up far worse than it is now!!
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 15/4/08 at 10:39 AM |
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In some states in the US they are no longer chasing cars due to the risk to the public after some very bad crashes. They now simply track the movement
of car either by air or by patrols relaying sightings. Considering a little Cessna plane cruses at about 110mph and can view a huge area and is
practically undetectable by the criminal (hence they are less likely to take risks), the justification for car chases gets a little thin. No burglary
or stolen car can justify the risk of someone being killed. This society needs to just grow up.
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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Agriv8
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| posted on 15/4/08 at 11:18 AM |
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Mr whippy,
While I agree in your setimenents about the risks involved. Is it not sending out the wrong signal to the crooks ( do this sort of crime we are not
going to chase you or stop you so you are unlikley to get caught ).
I also expect that the keys must have been stolen buy the crooks. Possibly edangering there life of the owner a freind of mine who woke up at 2am in
the morning with a crook holding a knife riffling through his trouser pockets after the keys of his RS4 outside.
you are probably right that its not worth a life but how else do you catch the criminals and protect peoples hard earned possesions ?
regards
Agriv8
Taller than your average Guy !
Management is like a tree of monkeys. - Those at the top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. BUT Those at the bottom look up and see a
tree full of a*seholes .............
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 15/4/08 at 11:45 AM |
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The use of unmarked cars that do not panic suspects, radioing up ahead to set stingers or simply tracking the movement of the car through sightings
are all tried and tested methods.
The whole premise of a police chase is that at some point the car being chased will be forced to stop, usually by that car crashing. It is a farcical
stunt only fit for the big screen and not real life, no possessions; even the crown jewels are worth one person’s life. Some of the crashes I’ve seen
(just look on you-tube) have been utterly enormous and involving completely innocent people who have lost their life just because a car failed to stop
for an officer.
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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Agriv8
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| posted on 15/4/08 at 11:56 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
The use of unmarked cars that do not panic suspects, radioing up ahead to set stingers or simply tracking the movement of the car through sightings
are all tried and tested methods.
The whole premise of a police chase is that at some point the car being chased will be forced to stop, usually by that car crashing. It is a farcical
stunt only fit for the big screen and not real life, no possessions; even the crown jewels are worth one person’s life. Some of the crashes I’ve seen
(just look on you-tube) have been utterly enormous and involving completely innocent people who have lost their life just because a car failed to stop
for an officer.
Point taken.
Tough unsure if our Local police have the man power to do that but thats a money issue which as every thing else these days has a bearing on the
Service we receive.
reaching targets / ticking boxses
VS
doing a job / comon sence / providing a service
surly Tehnology must have moved on a version of 'tracker' that can be sent a signal to drop the car into limp home mode ( should I patent
it now  )
regards
Agriv8
Taller than your average Guy !
Management is like a tree of monkeys. - Those at the top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. BUT Those at the bottom look up and see a
tree full of a*seholes .............
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RK
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| posted on 15/4/08 at 12:05 PM |
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Mr Whippy: "The Voice of Reason" - again!
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 15/4/08 at 12:19 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
The use of unmarked cars that do not panic suspects, radioing up ahead to set stingers or simply tracking the movement of the car through sightings
are all tried and tested methods.
The whole premise of a police chase is that at some point the car being chased will be forced to stop, usually by that car crashing. It is a farcical
stunt only fit for the big screen and not real life, no possessions; even the crown jewels are worth one person’s life. Some of the crashes I’ve seen
(just look on you-tube) have been utterly enormous and involving completely innocent people who have lost their life just because a car failed to stop
for an officer.
All nice in theory - shame it wouldnt work in practice. If all the police had to do was chase car theives then maybe yeah - they could all drive
around in unmarked cars and set up stingers to stop them. Maybe they could have enough aeroplanes to track them from the air which again yes is a
better solution than chasing them from the ground. Fact is though that planes really dont work for chases through towns and the criminals know it.
They are also very expensive and just not enough of them to do the job so the argument falls down really. My area has one plane for the whole of
Cheshire and while thats a pretty big area its nowhere near enough to cover Cheshire effectively.
So sorry - i dont see that the argument stands up. I'm sure the police would be doing these things now if it was a viable option given the
limited resources the police have.
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 15/4/08 at 01:00 PM |
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I question whether the police have the right to put the lives of members of the public at risk. They are only allowed to carry gun in very certain
circumstances and use them in public at a last resort, but a gun has a tiny fraction of the lethal power of a speeding car.
It is simply not acceptable to use this method to apprehend criminals and if the infrastructure is not there then time it was.
I ask you how much does a web cam cost to set up? There is no reason at all that they could not be installed on the roads to allow the tracking of
suspect vehicles on the vast majority of routes. We now have mobile video phones which means that web cams could be totally stand alone. The
technology is already here, just not the willing to change. Unfortunately it will obviously take more deaths to force this issue.
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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muzchap
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| posted on 15/4/08 at 01:13 PM |
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If I was a car thief and a plane was chasing me or helicopter - just head for an airfield or airport - they won't get in the exclusion zone.
Fair point about a life not being worth a car, but nature has to take it's course sometimes and sometimes with 'horrible'
consequences.
Sadly, it's the misconception of the human race that 'permanence' exists, we realise we live in an uncontrollable environment and
try to exert control - unfortunately a fallacy.
That said - if parents were more responsible and if smacking and discipline was re-instilled in the yooouf of today - then I doubt these problems
would exist in the magnitude you are talking about, leading to a far greater reduction in 'innocent' deaths.
I for one would support national conscription and the bringing of 'caning' back into schools.
The costs of implementing discipline early, far outweigh the costs of dealing with the fallout later.
Even if I was in the 'right' my parents would side with the teachers and odd occasion local bobby (broken window after football match etc)
- it wasn't strictly fair, but you made dam sure it wouldn't happen again - a kind of self policing society - because of FEAR OF
CONSEQUENCE - now, there's no CONSEQUENCES so people do what they want....
Wow - a long rant - it must be lunch!
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 15/4/08 at 01:21 PM |
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Is it the police putting the public in danger or the criminals?? If they are allowed an open season to just get away with speeding off knowing they
wont get chased then how many more idiots are going to see it as an excuse to just race off. How many normally honest motorists are going to see it as
a way of tryingto get out of a ticket by speeding off?? Simply fact is that the police are probably doing the best they can at present with one arm
tied behind their backs by the government / courts being so soft on criminals.
My uncle is a traffic cop and i've heard first hand just how impossible his job is at times. There are loads of rules on police pursuits which
it seems the hardened criminals know just as well as the police in order to stop them chasing them.
Maybe the government's idea of every car having a tracker isnt such a bad idea!! Link it to a secure way of disabling the car and it would be an
easy way to stop chases. Problem is it would have the usual crowd screaming about their human rights being infringed.
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 15/4/08 at 01:57 PM |
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I have not objections to a traker or a system that disabled cars, but suspect that criminals will simply chose cars that don't have one or
remove them.
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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Griffo
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| posted on 15/4/08 at 04:35 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Paul TigerB6
Is it the police putting the public in danger or the criminals?? If they are allowed an open season to just get away with speeding off knowing they
wont get chased then how many more idiots are going to see it as an excuse to just race off. How many normally honest motorists are going to see it as
a way of tryingto get out of a ticket by speeding off?? Simply fact is that the police are probably doing the best they can at present with one arm
tied behind their backs by the government / courts being so soft on criminals.
My uncle is a traffic cop and i've heard first hand just how impossible his job is at times. There are loads of rules on police pursuits which
it seems the hardened criminals know just as well as the police in order to stop them chasing them.
Maybe the government's idea of every car having a tracker isnt such a bad idea!! Link it to a secure way of disabling the car and it would be an
easy way to stop chases. Problem is it would have the usual crowd screaming about their human rights being infringed.
I think the problem with every car having a tracker is that ultimately it would end up with you getting a letter through the door demanding £100 (or
what ever the going rate is now) every single time you broke the speed limit. And then there is Tax based on millage. Thats just ludicrous.
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Rob Palin
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| posted on 15/4/08 at 05:46 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Griffo
And then there is Tax based on millage. Thats just ludicrous.
Absolutely, especially as we already effectively pay this through fuel duty & the VAT on fuel anyway. A bit OT though, sorry.
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JoelP
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| posted on 15/4/08 at 05:52 PM |
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it is the criminal who chooses to run that puts the public at risk. The sentance if caught should reflect this. There needs to be a deterent to put
people off crime, and also crims need to know its unlikely they will get away with it. Now a chase isnt the ideal solution but its all there is for
now.
I would support the every car with a tracker idea, and also a MASSIVE penalty for interference with it. Maybe similar to a black box device.
One day we will have to accept that speeding is no longer acceptable, much like nearly everyone accepts drink driving is no on and most dont use their
phones.
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cossiebri
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| posted on 15/4/08 at 07:37 PM |
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Just heard about this on the radio on the way home from work.... two 17 year old girls and a 15 year old boy
prob get off with an asbo (to show off to their mates,thats all they seem to be good for)
If it doesn't fit MODIFY it!!
Cheers BriF
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