DIY Si
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| posted on 25/5/08 at 02:57 PM |
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best/cheapest ecu for a v6
Right then, all this ecu stuff is a bit foreign to me as I grew up on a diet of SU's and dizzys. Can someone tell me what sensible options I
have when it comes to fuelling and sparking a V6? Will megasquirt handle this without much bother? I know there's a ford 6 cylinder spark
thingy, the name of which has escaped me at the moment, so I know that bit can be done. Ideally I'm after something that is fairly easy to sort
out, so megasquirt shouldn't be a problem to figure out and get set up. What other options are there? I don't necessarily need a full plug
and play install, but I don't want to be building the ecu from scratch either.
Oh, the engine will be an Alfa V6 running on triumph throttle bodies, so nothing fiddly like Vtec switching is required. Although the future potential
to run a supercharger without too much modification would be a distinct advantage. 
PS, a budget of 10p would be preferred! 
[Edited on 25/5/08 by DIY Si]
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clairetoo
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| posted on 25/5/08 at 03:01 PM |
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I picked megasquirt and an Edis to run my V6 - has to be the cheapest way of doing it as far as I can tell .
I bought mine fully built as electronics really isnt my `thing`
Its cuz I is blond , innit
Claire xx
Will weld for food......
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DIY Si
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| posted on 25/5/08 at 03:05 PM |
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EDIS, that's the name of the spark thingy! Right, off to the Bay of E.
Claire, where did you get yours from? And if you don't mind me asking, how much was it?
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DIY Si
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| posted on 25/5/08 at 03:12 PM |
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Oh, just noticed that some of the Alfa V6's run coil on plug. Does this complicate things at all? Or does it make things a bit simpler?
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clairetoo
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| posted on 25/5/08 at 03:16 PM |
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I originally bought one from Mtech (bunch of total cowboys - avoid like the plague) , Bill Shurvington supplied the one I`m actually using , along
with an Lc1 wideband lambda setup .
Not too sure about the cost as I still need to sort that out .......
Its cuz I is blond , innit
Claire xx
Will weld for food......
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clairetoo
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| posted on 25/5/08 at 03:17 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by DIY Si
Oh, just noticed that some of the Alfa V6's run coil on plug. Does this complicate things at all? Or does it make things a bit simpler?
A bit , yeah - the ECU would need to be built with 6 coil drivers AFAIK
Its cuz I is blond , innit
Claire xx
Will weld for food......
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tks
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| posted on 25/5/08 at 03:30 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by clairetoo
quote:
Originally posted by DIY Si
Oh, just noticed that some of the Alfa V6's run coil on plug. Does this complicate things at all? Or does it make things a bit simpler?
A bit , yeah - the ECU would need to be built with 6 coil drivers AFAIK
or with 3 if you run wasted spark i supose...
Tks
The above comments are always meant to be from the above persons perspective.
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rayward
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| posted on 25/5/08 at 03:35 PM |
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You could just run an EDIS6 , with a coilpack from a 6 cylinder ford, you would just need to sort the HT leads then,
personally i would run an EDIS rather than coil drivers built into the megasquirt
hth
Ray
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clairetoo
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| posted on 25/5/08 at 03:40 PM |
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quote:
or with 3 if you run wasted spark i supose...
Tks
Um...........with a V6 and coil-on-plug you would have 6 coils , so you would need six coil drivers.....
EDIS is soooooooooo much simpler
Its cuz I is blond , innit
Claire xx
Will weld for food......
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DIY Si
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| posted on 25/5/08 at 03:46 PM |
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Righto, I think the EDIS set up looks a bit simpler. Would it not be possible to run a pair of coils from each driver on the ecu? Sorting out some HT
leads shouldn't be too much bother either way though.
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matt_claydon
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| posted on 25/5/08 at 03:46 PM |
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Yeah, go with edis, much simpler and less liable to go wrong.
These guys will sort you out with everything you need ready built: http://www.extraefi.co.uk/
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clairetoo
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| posted on 25/5/08 at 03:52 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by DIY Si
Sorting out some HT leads shouldn't be too much bother either way though.
Plug leads were one of the most expensive things I bought for mine......Mazda caps and Ford coil plugs......cost about £120 
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Its cuz I is blond , innit
Claire xx
Will weld for food......
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DIY Si
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| posted on 25/5/08 at 04:09 PM |
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How much??!!
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Werner Van Loock
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| posted on 25/5/08 at 07:12 PM |
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Could also run the VEMS, it supports COP(coil on plug) up to 8 cylinders or 16 cylinder wasted spark without the need for EDIS. Also 2 channel
wideband lambda with builtin driver, so no seperate LC-1 needed. And a bunch of other features.
VEMS UK
official Vems site
http://www.clubstylus.be
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 25/5/08 at 09:10 PM |
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.....Mazda caps and Ford coil plugs......cost about £120 :
Less than half the price of a set of Vauxhall leads for a V6 Omega!
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DIY Si
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| posted on 25/5/08 at 09:24 PM |
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I've clearly led a sheltered life running minis!! I used to get upset at paying more than £20 for a set of 5!
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darrens
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| posted on 26/5/08 at 08:19 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by clairetoo
quote:
or with 3 if you run wasted spark i supose...
Tks
Um...........with a V6 and coil-on-plug you would have 6 coils , so you would need six coil drivers.....
EDIS is soooooooooo much simpler
er!
Wasted spark - 3 coil drivers 1 coil pack
COP - 6 coil drivers 6 coils
Regards
Darren
[Edited on 26/5/08 by darrens]
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Schrodinger
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| posted on 26/5/08 at 08:55 PM |
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Can you run wasted spark on this engine?
It will depend on the firing sequence and whether the pistons reach tdc at the same time, I have a feeling that with the Alfa you cannot use wasted
spark but I could be wrong. Also with the EDIS6 that presumeably is set for the angle of the Ford V6 and the Alfa MAY be different so timing with that
may be an issue. Just my thoughts.
Keith
Aviemore
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NS Dev
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| posted on 3/6/08 at 07:07 PM |
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I would also avoid edis, purely from the "why use 2 boxes when 1 will do" point of view.
I have run many engines on aftermarket ecu's, and none have ever used anything other then built in drivers for everything.
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