Antnicuk
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| posted on 9/10/08 at 06:48 AM |
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I want my dip lights to stay on with my Main Beam.... HOW?
As above, just fitted new lights to my stylus. I'm running a basic 'Car Looms' loom with sierra stalks. The new lights really need
to have both dipped and main beam on at the same time. This happens when i pull to flash but when i push the stalk the dipped go out and the mains
stay on on their own.
Can someone give a simple way to change this so that the dips stay on when i switch the mains on.
Thanks in advance
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flak monkey
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| posted on 9/10/08 at 06:54 AM |
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Without changing your switch and circuit you cant. Basically the sierra stalk has a changeover switch in which switched between dipped and main
beam.
There are 2 ways to do it. Either change the switch to an on-onx2 type (eg another sidelight/dipbeam type switch.
Or wire the circuits differently. Currently the feed for the dipped and main beams is the same, all the switch is doing is flicking between the two.
You would need another feed to a separate switch just for the main beams.
Besides I dont know if its a good idea, I know a lot of modern cars do it, but they have seperate bulbs for dipped and main beams. I dont think the
average H4 bulb will last 5 mins is you have the heat from both the main and dipped beam filaments there at the same time.
David
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 9/10/08 at 06:56 AM |
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you'll really shorten the life of the bulbs btw
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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blakep82
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| posted on 9/10/08 at 07:17 AM |
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yeah ^
i wouldn't.
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sickbag
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| posted on 9/10/08 at 07:23 AM |
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You could solder a power diode onto the lamp connector itself, so that the anode is connected to the main-beam terminal and the cathode is connected
to the dipped-beam terminal.
That way no current will flow when on dipped, but will when on main.
I'd put one on each connector as the lamps can sink a lot of current when cold.
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Werner Van Loock
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| posted on 9/10/08 at 07:33 AM |
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Watch your wiring if doing that.
H4 bulbs are rated 55/60W, this means you put on 115W*2= 230W
If running a single wire this means 20A !!!
If running twin wires, this is not a problem, but otherwise make sure the cable is up to it or you put the car on fire and fibreglass tends to burn
very well.
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 9/10/08 at 07:50 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
you'll really shorten the life of the bulbs btw
As above, they will overheat in no time. You will also put all the extra current through the earth wire which is common to both circuits.
Why would you want to do this anyway?? Might it not fail an MOT anyway??
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 9/10/08 at 08:12 AM |
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can't beat a nice set of driving lights 
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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02GF74
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| posted on 9/10/08 at 08:50 AM |
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^^^ wot they say - not a good idea IMO.
If you want more light, then look at getting brighter or slightly higher wattage (which may be illegal) bulb or eat more carrots.
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jimgiblett
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| posted on 9/10/08 at 09:11 AM |
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The Philips high output bulbs are very good IMO. Much safer than running Main and dip all the time.
- Jim
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Antnicuk
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| posted on 9/10/08 at 11:17 AM |
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thanks guys, the lights are 2 seperate units, the lights are quite strange, the lamp units are the same but one has an arrow pointing up and the
other has an arrow pointing down. I have 2 seperate wires two each side, one dipped and one main. Not too sure how diodes etc work, i thought there
might be a way of keeping the dip relay on when switching the main beam on.
 
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AndyGT
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| posted on 9/10/08 at 01:37 PM |
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need to think about it but why not use a 5 pin relay and use the main beam live to go back to the dip so that there is no chance of the live
backfeeding back into you lighting circuits.
Plus not only Philips, but a whole host of companies do them. I bought some 100/150 bulbs for night rallies a few years ago. From the lucas main
agents cost aroung 5 quid each but a noticeable difference.
My chevette now has 4 x 100w driving lamps  for the winter months plus the standard headlamps!!! OTT but makes night driving so much easier.
Plus when that idiot coming head on doesnt dip, I remind them where their dip beam switch is!!! 
nothing is impossible
everything is possible
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blakep82
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| posted on 9/10/08 at 06:49 PM |
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ah, if its seperate units for main and dip, then no probs having both at the same time. bmws always have done it.
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Antnicuk
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| posted on 9/10/08 at 08:37 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by AndyGT
need to think about it but why not use a 5 pin relay and use the main beam live to go back to the dip so that there is no chance of the live
backfeeding back into you lighting circuits.
Any chance you could do a quick diagram pleeeease
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Vindi_andy
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| posted on 10/10/08 at 07:50 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by AndyGT
Plus when that idiot coming head on doesnt dip, I remind them where their dip beam switch is!!!
Can they still see after you have "reminded them" I expect they have green splodges (not just dots) for quite a few miles
afterwards
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AndyGT
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| posted on 13/10/08 at 09:36 AM |
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Description
black is the normal wiring loom. Green is what should be added...
This circuit doesn't need the secondary switch (on green circuit 86) unless you want to go back to standard occasionally.
"Energised on" is the type of relay as some relays switch off when energised...
Hope this helps!
Andy
If this is wrong I am sure someone will say....
nothing is impossible
everything is possible
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AndyGT
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| posted on 13/10/08 at 09:50 AM |
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http://www.autoshop101.com/forms/hweb2.pdf
seems like a great pdf to use as an explanation of car relays..
nothing is impossible
everything is possible
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mad-butcher
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| posted on 15/10/08 at 06:26 PM |
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Ok now I'm confused. what you are basicaly saying is that it's either main or dip on at any one time..My Transit is wired as standard so
that the dipped beam remains on when I flick the switch to main. my indy is wired the same dip on when main is on. Sec 9.1 of the sva manual says
check that dipped beam remains on when main beam is on. which I would have thought was a good idea in case of a main beam bulb failure you still had a
reasonable light.
Am I missing something here or should I give up working nights
tony
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